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Good News Thread Part 3

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FuzzyPuffling · 14/12/2020 13:48

New thread as I got worried the old one was going to run out of space!

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Victoriasponge2 · 20/12/2020 16:04

So glad I've come across this thread. Just what I need! ❤️

tobee · 20/12/2020 16:19

"must be how Bill Bailey was feeling last night. Tess’s pause went on forever "

Ha! Xmas Grin

I'm sure I posted something about the Times publishing a "where you are in the vaccine queue" but can't find it! I think other papers have done similar now. It's not a time line one but how many ahead of you (roughly). Might be encouraging for vulnerable posters to look at?

LJC1234 · 20/12/2020 16:45

I just wanted to say a huge thank you for all the good news on here. Tier 4 and today I feel so sad and anxious but this thread has cheered me right up 😊

chri55ie · 20/12/2020 17:07

I w got access to the NY times article snd it’s very positive..,,phew as I was worrying about the mutation. Anyone feel like they lurch from one worry to another?!!

tobee · 20/12/2020 18:23

Any link @chri55ie ?

chri55ie · 20/12/2020 18:31

Just as vaccines begin to offer hope for a path out of the pandemic, officials in Britain on Saturday sounded an urgent alarm about what they called a highly contagious new variant of the coronavirus circulating in England.

Citing the rapid spread of the virus through London and surrounding areas, Prime Minister Boris Johnson imposed the country’s most stringent lockdown since March. “When the virus changes its method of attack, we must change our method of defense,” he said.

In South Africa, a similar version of the virus has emerged, which seems to share some of the mutations seen in the British variant. That virus has been found in 90 percent of the samples whose genetic sequences have been analyzed in South Africa.

Scientists are worried about these variants but not surprised by them. Researchers have recorded thousands of tiny modifications in the genetic material of the coronavirus as it has hopscotched across the world.
Some variants become more common in a population simply by luck, not because the changes somehow supercharge the virus. But as it becomes more difficult for the pathogen to survive — because of vaccinations and growing immunity in human populations — researchers also expect the virus to gain useful mutations enabling it to spread more easily or to escape detection by the immune system.

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“It’s a real warning that we need to pay closer attention,” Jesse Bloom, an evolutionary biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. “Certainly these mutations are going to spread, and, definitely, the scientific community — we need to monitor these mutations and we need to characterize which ones have effects.”

The British variant has 23 mutations, including several that affect how the virus locks onto human cells and infects them. These mutations may allow the variant to replicate and transmit more efficiently, said Muge Cevik, an infectious disease expert at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and a scientific adviser to the British government.

But the estimate of greater transmissibility — British officials said the variant was as much as 70 percent more transmissible — is based on modeling and has not been confirmed in lab experiments, Dr. Cevik added.

“Over all, I think we need to have a little bit more experimental data,” she said. “We can’t entirely rule out the fact that some of this transmissibility data might be related to human behavior.”
In South Africa, too, scientists were quick to note that human behavior was driving the epidemic, not new mutations whose effect on transmissibility had yet to be quantified.

The British announcement also prompted concern that the virus might evolve to become resistant to the vaccines just now rolling out. The worries are focused on a pair of alterations in the viral genetic code that may make it less vulnerable to certain antibodies.

But several experts urged caution, saying it would take years — not months — for the virus to evolve enough to render the current vaccines impotent.

“No one should worry that there is going to be a single catastrophic mutation that suddenly renders all immunity and antibodies useless,” Dr. Bloom said.

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“It is going to be a process that occurs over the time scale of multiple years and requires the accumulation of multiple viral mutations,” he added. “It’s not going to be like an on-off switch.”

Like all viruses, the coronavirus is a shape-shifter — sometimes at random and sometimes by clever design.

Scientists fear the latter possibility, especially: The vaccination of millions of people may exert enormous pressure on the virus to become resistant to the immune response, setting back the global fight by years.
Already, there are small changes in the virus that have arisen independently multiple times across the world, suggesting the mutations are helpful to the pathogen. The mutation affecting antibody susceptibility — technically called the 69-70 deletion, meaning there are missing letters in the genetic code — has been seen at least three times: in Danish minks, in people in Britain and in an immune-suppressed patient who became much less sensitive to convalescent plasma.

“This thing’s transmitting, it’s acquiring, it’s adapting all the time,” said Dr. Ravindra Gupta, a virologist at the University of Cambridge, who last week detailed the deletion’s recurrent emergence and spread. “But people don’t want to hear what we say, which is: This virus will mutate.”

The new genetic deletion changes the spike protein on the surface of the coronavirus, which it needs to infect human cells. Variants of the virus with this deletion arose independently in Thailand and Germany in early 2020, and became prevalent in Denmark and England in August.

Scientists initially thought the new coronavirus was stable and unlikely to escape vaccine-induced immune response, said Dr. Deepti Gurdasani, a clinical epidemiologist at Queen Mary University of London.

“But it’s become very clear over the last several months that mutations can occur,” she said. “As selection pressure increases with mass vaccination, I think these mutants will become more common.”

Several recent papers have shown that the coronavirus can evolve to avoid recognition by a single monoclonal antibody, a cocktail of two antibodies or even convalescent serum given to a specific individual.

Fortunately, the body’s entire immune system is a much more formidable adversary.

The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines induce an immune response only to the spike protein carried by the coronavirus on its surface. But each infected person produces a large, unique and complex repertoire of antibodies to this protein.
“The fact is that you have a thousand big guns pointed at the virus,” said Kartik Chandran, a virologist at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. “No matter how the virus twists and weaves, it’s not that easy to find a genetic solution that can really combat all these different antibody specificities, not to mention the other arms of the immune response.”

In short: It will be very hard for the coronavirus to escape the body’s defenses, despite the many variations it may adopt.

Escape from immunity requires that a virus accumulate a series of mutations, each allowing the pathogen to erode the effectiveness of the body’s defenses. Some viruses, like influenza, amass those changes relatively quickly. But others, like the measles virus, collect hardly any of the alterations.

Even the influenza virus needs five to seven years to collect enough mutations to escape immune recognition entirely, Dr. Bloom noted. His lab on Friday published a new report showing that common cold coronaviruses also evolve to escape immune detection — but over many years.

chri55ie · 20/12/2020 18:31

Sorry it’s very long! Second part incoming

chri55ie · 20/12/2020 18:32

The scale of the infections in this pandemic may be quickly generating diversity in the new coronavirus. Still, a vast majority of people worldwide have yet to be infected, and that has made scientists hopeful.

“It would be a little surprising to me if we were seeing active selection for immune escape,” said Emma Hodcroft, a molecular epidemiologist at the University of Bern in Switzerland.

“In a population that’s still mostly naïve, the virus just doesn’t need to do that yet,” she said. “But it’s something we want to watch out for in the long term, especially as we start getting more people vaccinated.”
Immunizing about 60 percent of a population within about a year, and keeping the number of cases down while that happens, will help minimize the chances of the virus mutating significantly, Dr. Hodcroft said.

Still, scientists will need to closely track the evolving virus to spot mutations that may give it an edge over vaccines.

Scientists routinely monitor mutations in flu viruses in order to update vaccines, and should do the same for the coronavirus, said Trevor Bedford, an evolutionary biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.

“You can imagine a process like exists for the flu vaccine, where you’re swapping in these variants and everyone’s getting their yearly Covid shot,” he said. “I think that’s what generally will be necessary.”

The good news is that the technology used in the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines is much easier to adjust and update than conventional vaccines. The new vaccines also generate a massive immune response, so the coronavirus may need many mutations over years before the vaccines must be tweaked, Dr. Bedford said.

In the meantime, he and other experts said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other government agencies should set up a national system to link viral sequence databases with on-the-ground data — like whether an infection occurred despite vaccination.

“These are useful pokes for scientists and governments to get systems in place — now, before we might need them, especially as we start vaccinating people,” Dr. Hodcroft said. “But the public should not necessarily be panicking.”

MarshaBradyo · 20/12/2020 18:34

I love scientists right now

Could cry for their expertise and advancement

chri55ie · 20/12/2020 18:38

I agree. It is true my amazing. Hope one of my children become a scientist!

OrangeBananaFish · 20/12/2020 18:42

@TeaInTheGarden

Thanks for that video *@cathyandclare* Need all the optimism we can get right now!
Thank you for explaining. I couldn't remember where it came from just that I had 22nd in my head.

Oh well its only an extra week to wait. Hopefully.

FuzzyPuffling · 20/12/2020 20:30

Thanks for all the information. All really interesting and reassuring too.
I used to work with medical researchers ( not vaccines, more the treatment side) and found them to be the most brilliant bunch...driven, clever, humble and focussed. I love science.

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tobee · 20/12/2020 20:43

Thanks @chri55ie I appreciate that!

chri55ie · 20/12/2020 21:35

Very welcome @tobee

GrumpySausage · 21/12/2020 10:16

I know, I know.... But I've just seen on another thread that staff at Astra-zeneca have been told approval is imminent (before 28/29th) and to expect their Christmas leave to be cancelled.

I don't normally bother with these 'he said, she said' rumours but dear god do I need something to be hopeful about.

tootyfruitypickle · 21/12/2020 10:34

Can you imagine the pressure to approve asap! I know the govt says is not pressurising but .... who needs sleep anyway Smile

TheChineseChicken · 21/12/2020 10:39

@GrumpySausage

I know, I know.... But I've just seen on another thread that staff at Astra-zeneca have been told approval is imminent (before 28/29th) and to expect their Christmas leave to be cancelled.

I don't normally bother with these 'he said, she said' rumours but dear god do I need something to be hopeful about.

I feel pretty ill with stress this morning so I’m going to cling to this whether it’s true or not! The whole situation at the moment is horrendous. Typical that it’s the UK with the bloody mutant strain
tobee · 21/12/2020 10:42

Yes but thank god we do such good sequencing here!

GrumpySausage · 21/12/2020 10:43

@thechinesechicken I feel exactly the same. Trying to remain calm for the kids but feeling very shaky and stressed this morning. I'm clinging to this bit of hope!

webetotallyscrewed · 21/12/2020 10:45

is there any good news today? My remaining thread that I was hanging on with is seriously frayingShock

MorrisZapp · 21/12/2020 10:47

My lovely NHS nurse SIL has been vaccinated! But yes, we need the ok now for the Oxford. Once Christmas is out of the way this is going to hit the ground running and we'll be cheering the numbers vaccinated week on week.

Hold tight!

webetotallyscrewed · 21/12/2020 10:52

but are the vaccines going to work now with this mutant version??

IcedPurple · 21/12/2020 10:53

@webetotallyscrewed

but are the vaccines going to work now with this mutant version??
They don't yet know for sure, but experts seem very confident that they will. The vaccines may need to be 'tweaked' but that's no big deal. Happens every year with flu vaccines. The 'heavy lifting' in vaccine creation has already been done.
blametheparents · 21/12/2020 10:54

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/educationandchildcare/articles/coronavirusandtheimpactonstudentsinhighereducationinenglandseptembertodecember2020/2020-12-21#student-behaviour

Many of us are parents to students. This article by the ONS shows that students have followed the rules and guidelines well.
That feel like good news to me - especially when I see many people moaning about them.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 21/12/2020 10:55

Yes they are. It still has the spike proteins that the vaccines recognise