Covid 19 vaccine vaccination numbers, why won't they tell us?

[MG2020]

I've been looking for a few days about the number of people vaccinated in the UK. However, this appears to be some kind of secret.

Does anyone know how many people have been vaccinated and how many vaccinations we have in the UK and what we can expect by mid Jan 2021?

I fear this secrecy means that things are not going to plan and when Matt Hancock said the other day that tens of thousands of people had been vaccinated, it was far from true.

You may recall the figures about Covid 19 tests when we were told x amount of tests were carried out but they failed to declare that everyone had at least two tests and many NHS staff and others in hospital were being tested several times a day therefore 100k tests may have been 20k tests in reality.

I want the jab and so do our children but both are severely allergic so we are praying for others to come on line ASAP.

Thank you all and at least we now have some idea re figures, at least from one NHS trust thanks to a member here. Another thanks re Scotland to give figures this week

I guess we will get some figures on Wed during or just before the review in the hope to cheer people up. If it's anything less than 400k being vaccinated then its not good.

With light at the end of the tunnel, this dangerous offer of 5 days of Christmas freedom by this ill informed dangerous government needs to be withdrawn. If it goes ahead, many more will suffer as well as the slowing down of vaccinations as hospitals will be overloaded with covid patients and staff off sick, etc

DH and I have just had a "drive thru" flu vaccine (set up by a private pharmaceutical co and St John's Ambulance). Aside from the downpour, the set up seemed to work really well (no waiting). I think they had two pharmacists on duty to administer the jab and they reckoned they were seeing about 500 people/day.

It was simply a question of making sure everything was set up well (so a team of people to check our details at one marquee, a couple of people to do the admin for the person giving the injections at another and another army of people in a final marquee to check we weren't going have a bad reaction.

They did say they were treating it as a bit of a "dry run" for the mass vaccinations and it looked easily scaleable.

I think we are looking at getting enough vaccinated for not only the deaths but the hospital admissions to drop.
Then no matter what the infection rate is like we will be able to get some normal back. The infection rate should drop as well of course but hospital admissions is always going to be what triggers lockdown.
On top of the vaccine new figures for antibodies in general population are showing 1 in 11 have had virus. That doesn't include under 16s or people in care homes. So on top of the jabs that all good news.

The bloody fools at number 10 still insisting Xmas goes ahead, IE, Covid is switched off for 5 days then Covid is switched back on at the light switch.

The above will result in the following days a massive, record breaking spike in hospital admissions, hundreds of thousands of appointments will be cancelled and the vaccination effort will be cut back as staff will be going off sick.

The reason we are not getting the vaccination figures is because the figures are nothing close to what was promised by Christmas, then the 31st Dec. Evidence of more incompetence on a grand scale. But do not worry as we were the "first" to approve the vaccine and we do have the highest death rate in the EU and come third in the world for this per head of population.

Billions wasted in useless ppe and track and tracing, wonder what would have happened if we the uk were not "world leading" A bunch of dangerous bunch misfits leading the public down a deadly road.

Calm down MG!
I’m looking forward to Xmas, we’re doing it in a sensible way like most of the population will.
You should go on the good news thread now and again. It’s not good to just dwell on the negatives all the time

And don’t forget most of the rest of the world ( with the exception of China and I think Russia) will have none of their population vaccinated by Xmas. So we are doing very well where that is concerned

Oh and the US who start today. Europe don’t start their vaccination programme until January I think - they will hopefully approve the Pfizer vaccine on the 29th December

And were are 4th highest per million death rate in Europe. Not the first. Belgium, Spain and Italy ahead of us with France and some of Eastern Europe not a million miles behind.
You are a little behind with your “worse in Europe” pronouncements. You do not need to think that anymore if it makes you feel better?

‘the reason we are not getting the vaccination figures is because the figures are nothing close to what was promised by Christmas’

What are you saying was promised by Christmas? I don’t remember any grandiose claims, just aspirations, and they have done far better than I expected.

Apparently the figures will be added to the government dashboard at some stage (fairly soon), not sure what the level of detail will be though.

Apparently the figures will be added to the government dashboard at some stage (fairly soon), not sure what the level of detail will be though.

That sounds good. Where do you hear that?

Hancock has just said in the commons they will be published

I've been told that they expect my mum to have her vaccination this week (care home )

Given the almighty cock-up they made centrally collating deaths using a very old version of excel, I imagine somebody is trying to build and test something a little more robust.

If it gets to February and my medic friends haven't been jabbed, I'll start to worry (27% of patients in our local hospital with covid between August-November caught it in hospital!).

I wonder if they will only start to publish figures once people have been fully vaccinated (ie both jabs)?

I think we are looking at getting enough vaccinated for not only the deaths but the hospital admissions to drop.

Yes. Here’s how it will pan out:

1st vaccines given: 8th December
Full immunity: 8th January
Would have shown symptoms (on average): 13th January onwards
Potentially Hospitalised: 20th January onwards
Potential death (average after onset of symptoms): end of January onwards.

So - mid Jan is when there will start to be some effect of vaccinations on positive tests, although it will be small, and will probably be swamped by the effects of Christmas mingling. However, the age profile of positive tests should start to get younger fairly quickly, as I think we are aiming to have a good chunk of the over 80’s done within weeks.

You may start to notice hospital admissions falling from the second half of Jan... and then deaths from end Jan/beginning of Feb.

It will start slow, and then ramp up - just like the vaccinations.

As I understand it immunity starts to develop from about a week after the first dose, so the effects could begin long before full immunity is reached by the first people, but I am sure you are right that they will be swamped by the other increases.

Thread like most other threads moving off the core topic and I would like to say:

We still do not have figures for the number of people vaccinated in England/Scotland but do have last night re Wales, IE 10k I think it was.
Don't forget there are approx 65 million people in the UK, and if we vaccinated a million people a week it would take a 124 weeks, yes 3 years, as 2 jabs are required 28 days apart - so let us pray and we get
at least a few million every week but I cant see that happening.

Then we have talk about the 5 days Covid is going to disapper on Xmas. The gov is putting the onus on you when you meet others telling you to be sensible care, worry re vulnerable and how dangerous it is meeting inside small rooms and will blame you when and it will happen we end up with thousands more seriously ill etc inc NHS staff off sick and the vaccine programm stalling and its not doing great as it is judging by figures from Wales.

Why not have two parties a day and more if you wish once we have this virus under control?

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

As I understand it immunity starts to develop from about a week after the first dose, so the effects could begin long before full immunity is reached by the first people, but I am sure you are right that they will be swamped by the other increases.

Re immunity - I watched a news item last night the said immunity starts to build up after the second jab.

Scotland was 18,000 yesterday.

@PuzzledObserver

I think we are looking at getting enough vaccinated for not only the deaths but the hospital admissions to drop.

Yes. Here’s how it will pan out:

1st vaccines given: 8th December
Full immunity: 8th January
Would have shown symptoms (on average): 13th January onwards
Potentially Hospitalised: 20th January onwards
Potential death (average after onset of symptoms): end of January onwards.

So - mid Jan is when there will start to be some effect of vaccinations on positive tests, although it will be small, and will probably be swamped by the effects of Christmas mingling. However, the age profile of positive tests should start to get younger fairly quickly, as I think we are aiming to have a good chunk of the over 80’s done within weeks.

You may start to notice hospital admissions falling from the second half of Jan... and then deaths from end Jan/beginning of Feb.

It will start slow, and then ramp up - just like the vaccinations.

Oh God you are right about the age profile.

That means despite less deaths we will get some idiots panicking because the percentage of younger people dead will be more.

I shall brace myself for those threads and dodgy news reporting

Don't forget there are approx 65 million people in the UK, and if we vaccinated a million people a week it would take a 124 weeks, yes 3 years, as 2 jabs are required 28 days apart - so let us pray and we get
at least a few million every week but I cant see that happening.

But we don't need to get everyone vaccinated, for reasons which have been discused above. Not to mention that the vaccine hasn't been tested on children so those under 15 or so won't be getting it. That's several million off the list.

Around 11.5 million people in the U.K. are under 16 so that takes a fair few off the list.

Scotland was 18,000 yesterday.

Where can you find the number?

It seems that there is now some pressure on Hancock to add the vaccination numbers to the dashboard but they haven't sorted that out yet.

There is also no expectation that there will be 100% uptake. More like 75%.

The 1m per week isn’t a number being suggested by the government. It’s a figure some media observers pluck from the air. It will be different from that over time.