Has Boris got the balls to cancel Xmas for London?

[Gobacktothe90s]

Obviously the answer is no, but the huge increase in cases in London should tell anyone it's not a good idea for Xmas mixing. How high will the rates go before he has to step in?

I think rather than cancel Xmas for the worst hit areas the only thing he would do is cancel Xmas mixing for everyone and do a complete u turn rather than single London out.
If however the North west still had high rates he would have no hesitation In stopping the north west mixing at Xmas but allowed other areas to mix.

@SueEllenMishke

11 Jan should be the standard school return date

And how do working parents manage this?

Parents are responsible for their children, not schools. Some may see them as free childcare but that’s not their purpose.

Parents are responsible for their children, not schools. Some may see them as free childcare but that’s not their purpose.

Oh really. I didn't know that 🙄

I wondered how long it would take for that old chestnut to make an appearance.

Let tell all working parents to quit their jobs then shall we because we currently have a society based on the premise that children will be in full time education between certain ages - if we can no longer rely on that being the case then we need to make sure one parent is always at home. Never mind that many households need two incomes just to survive - Cos poverty never did any harm did it?

They could close secondaries. Because what else is the option? Carrying on letting it rip through society?

Germany have closed theirs.

@SueEllenMishke

Parents are responsible for their children, not schools. Some may see them as free childcare but that’s not their purpose.

Oh really. I didn't know that 🙄

I wondered how long it would take for that old chestnut to make an appearance.

Let tell all working parents to quit their jobs then shall we because we currently have a society based on the premise that children will be in full time education between certain ages - if we can no longer rely on that being the case then we need to make sure one parent is always at home. Never mind that many households need two incomes just to survive - Cos poverty never did any harm did it?

Agree. It’s frustrating when parents of older children or adults criticise working parents for treating school as childcare. For as long as anyone can remember children are in school term time 9-3. They just are. They benefitted from that, we fit our working lives in around that. People can’t be expected to be 100% free and available for their children at any time. It’s ridiculous.

Given they can't realistically do a U-turn on Christmas mixing, perhaps a UK-wide 14 day hard lockdown from the 27th might at least limit the (inevitable) damage.

@StCharlotte

Given they can't realistically do a U-turn on Christmas mixing, perhaps a UK-wide 14 day hard lockdown from the 27th might at least limit the (inevitable) damage.

A hard lockdown for 2/3 weeks after would help stop the spread but they could do a change of plan and say no mixing given case numbers are on the rise again and it’s still two weeks away.

Agree. It’s frustrating when parents of older children or adults criticise working parents for treating school as childcare. For as long as anyone can remember children are in school term time 9-3. They just are. They benefitted from that, we fit our working lives in around that. People can’t be expected to be 100% free and available for their children at any time. It’s ridiculous.

Exactly, and which group will see their careers suffer? Women.
Research is already showing us that women have been disproportionately impacted by the pandemic- significantly so.

@SueEllenMishke

Parents are responsible for their children, not schools. Some may see them as free childcare but that’s not their purpose.

Oh really. I didn't know that 🙄

I wondered how long it would take for that old chestnut to make an appearance.

Let tell all working parents to quit their jobs then shall we because we currently have a society based on the premise that children will be in full time education between certain ages - if we can no longer rely on that being the case then we need to make sure one parent is always at home. Never mind that many households need two incomes just to survive - Cos poverty never did any harm did it?

It always gets wheeled out Except schools did become childcare for a term - just not to everyone.

Exactly, and which group will see their careers suffer? Women.
Research is already showing us that women have been disproportionately impacted by the pandemic- significantly so.

True

"11 Jan should be the standard school return date"

For mainstream perhaps. Not for schools like ds's where the families don't mingle with others even during a normal Christmas and where the children cannot be taught remotely.

You'd think on a site that pushes feminism so much that posters would be able to understand the importance of equality when discussing tiers.

It’s secondary schools where the largest number of cases are. They could close those. What’s the alternative? Waiting until that age group hit. 80 or 90%?

Parents are responsible for their children, not schools. Some may see them as free childcare but that’s not their purpose.

🙄 Of course school is childcare. What a bizarre idea to think otherwise. Schools also aren’t ‘free’ they’re funded by taxation or school fees, and parents already pay for expensive wraparound care for school age kids.

How could he cancel Christmas it's a religious festival?
I don't think even a PM could do that, lol.

I wish we could cancel Mr Johnson. Or have the mass killer by neglect he is spend every Christmas and the rest of the year in a prison cell.

@nosswith

I wish we could cancel Mr Johnson. Or have the mass killer by neglect he is spend every Christmas and the rest of the year in a prison cell.

Can’t we get him on one of those war ships he’s organising to protect our fish? I’ll happily volunteer to push him overboard

Closing secondary schools for an extra week does seem like the least worse option but it’s still an awful option.
My Dd is 15, doing GCSEs next year & has missed so much already, not just work but seeing friends.
Even though they are old enough to be left on their own at home, how fucking miserable would that be for them? Indoors by themselves all day everyday would be awful (I’m lucky that I can work from home but I know many can’t do that)

It was a ridiculous idea to relax rules in the first place. Absurd.

We will continue to follow old style rules in our T3 area.

I will know I've not passed Covid onto my extended family, and I think there's every chance that as such they will make it unscathed to the summer when we can find some sort of normality.

Others will choose a different approach, knowing the risk they are taking.

If london does go in to tier 3 . When would it start ?

Parents are responsible for their children, not schools. Some may see them as free childcare but that’s not their purpose.

I can’t believe people are still spouting this shite. It beggars belief.

Let’s tell all the drs/nurses/police/food production staff/care workers that they need to ‘stay home’ and look after their kids because school isn’t childcare. How the fuck does that work?

He should cancel all the mixing that he announced could take place, it’s bloody ridiculous to let it go ahead with the huge rise in numbers.

@TragedyHands

How could he cancel Christmas it's a religious festival? I don't think even a PM could do that, lol.

They stopped visiting in some areas for Eid. Diwali was very different this year. People just worship or celebrate differently. Christmas is mainly commercial anyway...but nobody’s saying don’t celebrate the birth of the wee baby Jesus, just do it on your own and don’t spread your germs about 🙄

@Christmastime4

If london does go in to tier 3 . When would it start ?

16th December. Previous restrictions changed on 2nd December

They revise it every 2 weeks.

@TragedyHands

How could he cancel Christmas it's a religious festival? I don't think even a PM could do that, lol.

He cancelled Easter.

Christmas is a secular time for a majority of people.

No one cancelled Easter though, it was still considered the Easter Weekend etc