Page 3 | Why do people seem so certain that restrictions will go on and on

Pootle40 · 11/12/2020 18:06

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

The majority of deaths might be in over 80s. There's a large number of hospitalisations and admissions to ICU in many more groups than that as well as in people who aren't in higher risk groups (under 50, no underlying conditions). It's going to be no good if we stop people dying from Covid but end up dying because there are no ICU beds for covid patients who need it.

Have you seen what's happening in parts of the US at the moment? That's not entirely caused just by people over 80.

Although the UK is bad the US has to be one of the unhealthiest obese countries in the world too so that will be a significant factor for them

Nellee · 11/12/2020 18:12

No. The NHS is never fine. Especially since the Tories bled it to bits.

We need the NHS - our family- I know everything we need has stopped. But I don’t believe that’s because COVID is overwhelming hospitals anymore,

kittensarecute · 11/12/2020 18:27

The government are loving all this power, so they will find some excuse to keep restrictions going.

TinselToedElf · 11/12/2020 18:33

@kittensarecute

The government are loving all this power, so they will find some excuse to keep restrictions going.

That has got to be the biggest load of tosh I've read in a long time and I'm no Tory!

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 11/12/2020 18:34

@HallFloor

Some people suffer from long term post viral effects for many of the viruses that we do let circulate freely.

ICUs aren't full of young people without underlying conditions, they're really not.

This

And once we vaccinate the over 65 then probably need to do those with high BMI too.
The younger people in ICU are basically mostly with high body fat.
The data shows the risks are age and high BMI. This is above those with underlying health conditions.

Needcoffeecoffeecoffee · 11/12/2020 18:35

@kittensarecute

The government are loving all this power, so they will find some excuse to keep restrictions going.

I'm sure they would love a thriving economy more. The majority of those in power would make much more money from successful businesses then everything being closed. What are they gaining from the restrictions?

Madhairday · 11/12/2020 18:51

@Nellee

No. The NHS is never fine. Especially since the Tories bled it to bits.

We need the NHS - our family- I know everything we need has stopped. But I don’t believe that’s because COVID is overwhelming hospitals anymore,

I agree about the Tories bleeding it dry and that's one of the reasons it is struggling. But I gently suggest you actually listen to those working in the NHS. Our hospital has multiple ambulances piling up outside because of the amount of covid patients. Staff are off sick, isolating and traumatised. You really minimise what they are facing when you spout this conspiracy crap.

What do you think is happening?

everythingthelighttouches · 11/12/2020 18:53

Nellee

“ The NHS will be and currently are fine.”

I find this comment really upsetting. It really isn’t fine. People are on their knees and it is way beyond anything anyone has experienced before.

“The NHS is never fine.”

Which is it Nellee ???

“ I don’t believe that’s because COVID is overwhelming hospitals anymore”

What do you think is overwhelming my colleagues and their ability to provide an acceptable service then?

inuet · 11/12/2020 18:57

Because there are people who are so lost and broken in life that their only joy is seeing others life stunted and thwarted and they want restrictions on social gatherings to continue as long as possible. There are lots of them on here.

ArosAdraDrosDolig · 11/12/2020 18:57

Anglesey primary schools moving to online learning after Monday

Jrobhatch29 · 11/12/2020 19:07

I was talking to my friend today. She's a nurse at the local hospital. She said nearly all of the wards are full of covid. But the majority are people who have caught it whilst in hospital for something else or who have tested positive on admission. She said alot aren't actually ill with covid, but every ward has cases now and it's being spread about

MrsFezziwig · 12/12/2020 01:25

@kittensarecute what utter nonsense. As per my PP to another conspiracy theorist misguided poster, why on earth would the government prefer shelling out billions and stalling the economy as opposed to letting life go on as normal?

And please don’t answer with some mysterious pronouncement that doesn’t mean anything at all but may well persuade the gullible that you have some sort of insider knowledge.

ApplesinmyPocket · 12/12/2020 01:38

@kittensarecute

The government are loving all this power, so they will find some excuse to keep restrictions going.

Oh, don't be so silly.

TheClaws · 12/12/2020 06:10

kittensarecute
The government are loving all this power, so they will find some excuse to keep restrictions going.
Oh, don't be so silly.

Where I live, the Government removed restrictions sequentially and in a phased manner, quite carefully to ensure cases didn't rise. We now have very few cases, no deaths, and few restrictions. (We don't wear masks, there are no limits on gatherings, restaurants and cinemas etc. are open, sports are on ...) The Government would want a functioning economy. Think it through.

Sostenueto · 12/12/2020 06:33

The death rate does it for me. 500 a day dying on average.

PrincessNutNuts · 12/12/2020 06:49

@HallFloor

Once we've got all the over 80s vaccinated, surely the death rate will be so low that there could be no possible justification to continue with the restrictions?

Yes, I know some unfortunate people will still suffer but the vast majority of deaths have been in the over 80s. There have and always will be viruses that are dangerous to some, we don't close everything down.

Because if you let covid spread out of control - like in the Dakotas in the US - the number of Covid hospitalisations cause havoc in your health system.

So when your mum has a stroke, your husband has a car accident or your child can't breathe, there's no room for them and nobody available to look after them.

Reducing the pool of people covid can kill does nothing to reduce hospitalisations if you simultaneously allow the virus free rein.

WithLotsOfSprinkles0 · 12/12/2020 10:00

@TheClaws

kittensarecute The government are loving all this power, so they will find some excuse to keep restrictions going. Oh, don't be so silly.

Where I live, the Government removed restrictions sequentially and in a phased manner, quite carefully to ensure cases didn't rise. We now have very few cases, no deaths, and few restrictions. (We don't wear masks, there are no limits on gatherings, restaurants and cinemas etc. are open, sports are on ...) The Government would want a functioning economy. Think it through.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but the government have made it quite clear on more than one occasion they enjoy the power.

They are right now having police patrol borders between tier 3 and tier 2 but yet we can currently go on a plane with strangers and fly to a different country.

They wont let us go to a restaurant and be seated but allow us to go to non essential shops

Oh and let's not forget that they have 'allowed' us to have christmas this year. They knew full well people would mix over Christmas so to stay in control, they gave Corona 5 days off over Christmas which they know will result in another lockdown in January.

Contradictory rules which most frankly dont make any sense in terms of risk show how much the government are all about control.

TheClaws · 12/12/2020 10:33

WithLotsOfSprinkles0

Contradictory rules which most frankly dont make any sense in terms of risk show how much the government are all about control.

I didn't say your Government was making smart choices, just that it isn't ultimately about control.

xxmass · 12/12/2020 12:35

@Nellee

No. The NHS is never fine. Especially since the Tories bled it to bits.

We need the NHS - our family- I know everything we need has stopped. But I don’t believe that’s because COVID is overwhelming hospitals anymore,

Well which is it @Nellee ?? You said the NHS is fine and now it isn't - make your mind up 🙄

Pasithea · 12/12/2020 12:37

My gp told me this morning that it would take at least 8 months to vaccinate everyone on their lists.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 12/12/2020 18:16

They wont let us go to a restaurant and be seated but allow us to go to non essential shops

Eating in an indoor restaurant is a moderate-high risk activity wrt to Covid. Shopping is a much lower risk activity, depending on where you are shopping. It makes perfect sense that one would be allowed and the other restricted.

What makes less sense is people thinking that eating inside in a public place can be made safe. It can be made safer, but it’s still risky. IIRC the woman who caught it in a restaurant in S Korea was in the restaurant with the infected person for less than 5mins and they didn’t get anywhere near each other.

Lifeispassingby · 12/12/2020 18:31

I have to agree with the op who are saying that the NHS is not fine. Our local hospital (tier 3) has ambulances queuing outside waiting to admit covid patients, every ward has covid patients which are spreading covid to those patients who are admitted to hospital without it, which is increasing the problem. Wards are closed as there are so many staff of sick and they are now stopping routine procedures inc children’s therapy services because of the risk and due to staff shortages. Whether we like it or not COVID is causing delays to treatment and preventing access to services for all of us in the local community

Lifeispassingby · 12/12/2020 18:36

damn autocorrect should have been PP not OP

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 18:37

OP my answer to your question is

The Coronavirus Act is in place for 2 years

The government is loving the control and restrictions

Matt Hancock said at the end of jan that if there was a covid “epidemic” here, the government would impose severe social and economic restrictions

There has been pathetically little attempt at infection control

This is about people control and they love it!

AcornAutumn · 12/12/2020 18:39

TheClaws I’m wondering where you live.