Page 2 | Why do people seem so certain that restrictions will go on and on

Ponoka7 · 11/12/2020 15:31

Once the over 75's are vaccinated they will be out and about and that's when the infection rates will go up again. I'm clinically vulnerable, but I have to wait for the Oxford vaccine.

Unless it has all been to protect the over 80's, then we'll have to be under restrictions for quite a while. But it will be as it was over summer, with some freedoms. Brexit might change that of course.

MadameBlobby · 11/12/2020 15:48

If you think that just vaccinating over 80s is going to solve the issue of ICU capacity and mean that restrictions can end, you don't have a very good grasp of the situation and have your head firmly buried in the sand.

JVT said last week once the most vulnerable groups were vaccinated it will cut deaths and hospitalisations by 99%. Is he burying his head in the sand too?

Your comparisons with the US, with pretty much no suppression measures and based on no one having been vaccinated are completely irrelevant.

AnyFucker · 11/12/2020 16:01

The main objective of restrictions is to prevent the NHS getting over run

It's not 80yo's filling up the Covid wards and Critical Care. They don't get that far.

It's the 40-70 yo's with obesity, heart disease, diabetes, alcohol induced liver disease and other myriad chronic health conditions. That is a large part of our population and it is going to take many months before we vaccinate all those people.

So yes, I see measures of some description being in place for some time yet. And that is before we have to mop up all the people getting infected right now and over the Xmas partyfest.

Depressing, but true

cologne4711 · 11/12/2020 16:03

@TinselToedElf

It's not just about the death rate now though is it, more and more people are suffering from long Covid. These are the people that work in society, we need to limit the spread so services can keep running.

I was wondering whether the long covid sufferers were mainly from the March wave. Are there people who've caught it say since the beginning of October who have long covid, I thought the current strain was a different one.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 11/12/2020 16:15

Lockdowns aren't supposed to mean nobody gets sick with Covid ever. If people feel they are still at risk, they can continue to take precautions, but the whole society and economy cannot be put on hold indefinitely.

I haven't said that it is supposed to stop everyone getting ill. The claim the OP is very specific that one over 80s are vaccinated there is no justification for continuing restrictions. NOT that once all vulnerable groups are vaccinated we can relax restrictions. She's arguing that ICUs aren't full of young people, forgetting that there's quite a difference between young people and people over 80 and that these age groups are making up the majority of ICU admissions.

VT said last week once the most vulnerable groups were vaccinated it will cut deaths and hospitalisations by 99%. Is he burying his head in the sand too?

Read the OP. There's a very big difference between vaccinating all vulnerable groups (over 50s/60s, CEV and probably some CV) and just the over 80s. If we just vaccinate the over 80s and let everyone else do whatever they want the situation in the US will become relevant very quickly. It's basically Great Barrington but with a vaccine and fewer people shielding.

BlueBlancmange · 11/12/2020 16:17

@RayOfSunshine2013

Because we were told in march that this would be a two week lockdown. Then it would all be good when there was a vaccination. Now theres a vaccination but even the vaccinated still need to wear a mask

This is nothing to do with a virus anymore

Were we? I don't remember that. Why would anything think a highly contagious disease could be defeated by a two week lockdown?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 11/12/2020 16:18

I think there were quite widespread rumours on MN that it would be a 2wk lockdown in March. I don't think it came from anywhere official.

BlueBlancmange · 11/12/2020 16:20

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

I think there were quite widespread rumours on MN that it would be a 2wk lockdown in March. I don't think it came from anywhere official.

Well yes, there was a lot of wishful thinking that 'all this will be over in a few weeks'.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 11/12/2020 16:26

IIRC there was quite a belief that schools were going to reopen after the Easter holidays. It was quite optimistic considering the situation we were in at the time.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 11/12/2020 16:28

Suspect there might be some similar wishful thinking going on around the vaccine tbh. It seems that they've been quite clear about it going to be a while with restrictions still and this isn't going to be a quick process.

Nellee · 11/12/2020 16:30

This is nothing to do with a virus anymore

I really really hate to agree with this. But I’m beginning to think that it’s true.

The lockdowns will go on and on because there’s something else going on. The NHS will be and currently are fine.

What is this actually about?

TableCat · 11/12/2020 16:32

I think when the initial lock down started Boris said it would be reviewed in 3 weeks. People thought that meant be over in 6 weeks and have accused the government of lying ever since.

The reason people believe measures will not be lifted is because that is what is shown on various media outlets.

I can't wait to be rid of masks, the rest doesn't bother me, so I watch what is said about them to prepare for it being long term and not get my hopes up.

In reality none of us, not here on mumsnet,not the scientists, not the government know what is going to happen yet. But a blanket 'we have to wait and see' is difficult for us to cope with, human nature is to find out, know and understand. We can't do that at the moment.

Mumof3andlovingit · 11/12/2020 16:33

@HallFloor

Once we've got all the over 80s vaccinated, surely the death rate will be so low that there could be no possible justification to continue with the restrictions?

Yes, I know some unfortunate people will still suffer but the vast majority of deaths have been in the over 80s. There have and always will be viruses that are dangerous to some, we don't close everything down.

Because there are plenty of under 80s that end up in hospital and also there are plenty of under 80s that are vulnerable too

Ugzbugz · 11/12/2020 16:36

It was said that by summer we should be back to normal with no need for social distancing etc.

But surely no under 50s will be vaccinated by then?

So will we all just go back to normal and not worry about catching it??

MrsFezziwig · 11/12/2020 16:37

Why do people seem so certain that restrictions will go on and on

They aren’t certain. They have opinions, some of which are expressed quite forcefully without any basis to back them up.

Passmeabottlemrjones · 11/12/2020 16:37

@RayOfSunshine2013

Because we were told in march that this would be a two week lockdown. Then it would all be good when there was a vaccination. Now theres a vaccination but even the vaccinated still need to wear a mask

This is nothing to do with a virus anymore

Bullshit.

By the time lockdown happened, everyone knew it was serious and everyone knew lockdown was going to be longer than two weeks - common sense would tell you that anyway.

And yes, a vaccination has always been held up as the way out of this but what, did you think that a vaccine would be licenced and then we would all go back to our normal lives a few days after?

What do you think it's about then? How, exactly, is the government 'controlling' the population by requesting that they wear a mask in public spaces, how do the govt benefit from that?

lanbro · 11/12/2020 16:37

But most hospitality venues are not high risk, many are certainly much safer than shops. I am furious that my village coffee shop is lumped in with student bars in the city centre, and that my outdoor car wash was forced to close for 4 weeks whilst so many indoor places were allowed to remain open.

MrsFezziwig · 11/12/2020 16:40

@RayOfSunshine2013

Because we were told in march that this would be a two week lockdown. Then it would all be good when there was a vaccination. Now theres a vaccination but even the vaccinated still need to wear a mask

This is nothing to do with a virus anymore

So you think if the government found out we could go back to normal tomorrow with no effect, they’d choose to keep us under restrictions and wearing masks just to prove they can?

Stop with the ridiculousness.

Passmeabottlemrjones · 11/12/2020 16:41

So will we all just go back to normal and not worry about catching it??

Hopefully, yes. Just like we went about our normal life before not spending all our time worrying about catching any other infectious disease.

MadameBlobby · 11/12/2020 16:44

Government won’t be keen to keep places closed and having to pay their wages after the end of March so I expect a lot will be lifted then. Hopefully with the most vulnerable being vaccinated the NHS won’t be at as much risk so while people will still catch it and die it will be much less.

MrsFezziwig · 11/12/2020 16:45

Personally if more venues of all types were allowed to open, and I could see a few of my friends, I’d be totally prepared to continue wearing masks and following other social distancing threads.

PleasantVille · 11/12/2020 16:50

@RayOfSunshine2013

Because we were told in march that this would be a two week lockdown. Then it would all be good when there was a vaccination. Now theres a vaccination but even the vaccinated still need to wear a mask

This is nothing to do with a virus anymore

When was anyone told that there would be a 2 week lockdown?

That simply didn't happen, uf you want anyone to take you seriously you need to get the basic facts right

Can you explain one reason that any government would want this to carry on - and actual logical prove able reason

reginafelangee · 11/12/2020 16:52

Once the death rate and hospital admissions done right down then the restrictions will lift or people will just start refusing to comply with them.

Life needs to resume.

xxmass · 11/12/2020 16:58

@Nellee

This is nothing to do with a virus anymore

I really really hate to agree with this. But I’m beginning to think that it’s true.

The lockdowns will go on and on because there’s something else going on. The NHS will be and currently are fine.

What is this actually about?

The NHS is currently fine?

Absolute bollocks. The 4 hospitals in my county would beg to differ. How utterly insensitive to those of us flogging our guts providing corridor care currently. Wish people would not spout such absolutes like they're the bloody oracle 🙄

MrsAudreyShapiro · 11/12/2020 17:56

Anyone saying the NHS is currently fine clearly has had no recent experience of the NHS.