Nurses not wanting the vaccine but doctors do??

[EachandEveryone]

If you are a nurse is it the same at your place? We talk about it a lot. I personally cant wait. All the doctors cant wait one consultant told me yesterday that he was “dissappointed” in our nursing colleagues only about a third of them want it. Same aa the flu jab. Hes tried to talk to us about it casually in the tearoom but people just shrug their shoulders they really arent interested. Two of them have been working from home because they wont wear masks and they wont be having the vaccine, where does that leave their jobs then I wonder?

What’s the consensus at your place?

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel there has been trials it’s not the same as as a vaccine been rolled out. Major difference.

I’m entitled to my opinion just because you want to have the vaccine that’s absolutely fine. However you have no right to dictate my choice... I have had a positive antibody test and I also worked on a Covid ward in the height of the pandemic. I never said I wouldn’t have the vaccine ever I just said I would like to wait. It’s understandable that people are wary is it not? I’m not sure why your so jumped up because I stated I’m hesitant

Obviously we work alongside their adult parents but risk assessments and practices are in place to really reduce the chances of any Covid transmission should they be carrying it asymptomatically.

But they're temporary. At some point, sooner rather than later, normality will have to return everywhere, even in hospitals, which means being back to full/cramped waiting rooms, both parents with the child, multiple family visitors on wards, no social distancing, etc etc. You may well feel differently then when your workplace doesn't seem as safe anymore.

I haven’t said anything about your choice, I don’t know anything about you.
As I said perfectly clearly in my last post, my objection was to your use of the phrase ‘first experiment of people to trial it’ which is misleading and scaremongering.

I never said I wouldn’t have the vaccine ever I just said I would like to wait. It’s understandable that people are wary is it not? I’m not sure why your so jumped up because I stated I’m hesitant

The restrictions will last longer if people don't have the vaccine. That leads to even more businesses going bust, more people losing their jobs/homes, more mental health impacts, and in the longer run, more tax rises and yes, lower pay rises/pensions! People need to realise the consequences of covid restrictions/lockdowns dragging on longer than they need to.

My DD's a nurse. Can't come soon enough for her and the other members of her team.

Obviously we work alongside their adult parents but risk assessments and practices are in place to really reduce the chances of any Covid transmission should they be carrying it asymptomatically.

But they're temporary. At some point, sooner rather than later, normality will have to return everywhere, even in hospitals, which means being back to full/cramped waiting rooms, both parents with the child, multiple family visitors on wards, no social distancing, etc etc. You may well feel differently then when your workplace doesn't seem as safe anymore.

True - but I think this isn’t going to happen for a very long time yet. I can’t see hospitals returning to anywhere near ‘normal’ for many, many, many months to come. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the restrictions that we have now are still in place in 12 months times.

Purely due to the nature of their establishment, I predict that hospitals will be returning to their ‘normal’ much later than general society will be.

@user1497207191 your point is fully valid. We can’t all have the vaccine at once there’s not enough so again I’m
Not sure why you are arguing... it’s not as though someone has offered me the vaccine and I have declined.

Ambulance staff usually but been off for 3 months as pregnant.. absolutely won’t be getting the vaccine unless it stops me flying as I fly regularly. I only ever had the flu jab when they used to give us a love 2 shop voucher to have it.

Nobody I know will have it.
They don't trust it yet.

@Beebumble2

Reading this makes me sad. When my MIL was a student nurse she caught Polio, before there was a vaccine. It blighted her life, both physically and mentally.

Same for my FIL and he suffered sudden and severe mobility problems when older which the doctors suspect is post-polio syndrome. He also had poor mental health.

That seems to be the case in my hospital, I'm not a nurse but an allied professional.
Only 50% have had a flu jab this year and it looks to be the same with the covid vaccine. I think it's tragic.
I'll be having mine as soon as it is available.
I watched UKs first covid vaccination this morning and I felt as I did when I watched the moon landing, just so proud.

I live in Glastonbury and seriously I am hearing dreadlocked hippies stoated on a lifetime of drugs and other substances tell me they are not having it because reptilian DNA is in it.
I've learnt it's best not to comment, just smile sweetly.

DH is a GP and wants to have the vaccine as soon as he can. I think it should be compulsory for health care staff.

I’m a scientist in a hospital pathology lab and absolutely everyone wants it as soon as possible. Lab staff also have the highest uptake of flu vaccinations in our trust. I don’t know if it’s because there is more trust in the science behind vaccination, because we see so many positive cases through the testing process, or something else.

I’m of child bearing age and have been TTC unsuccessfully for a long time. I’m planning to take a pregnancy test just before I have the first dose just to be sure, and then pausing TTC for 3 months as per the advice. I feel like protecting my colleagues and moving closer to being able to see my family and lead a normal life again is more important to me right now.

I'm community based, AHP. There seems to be an equal mix of keen and not keen tbh. The ones who turned down the flu vacc have already said no. I'm not going to rush.

@PeppaPigOinkOinkOink

I'm a nurse, and absolutely 100% not a conspiracy theorist, nor am I an anti vaxxer. I am however sceptical, and I wont be having the vaccine to begin with. Thats not to say I won't have it eventually.

0.0030% - thats the approximate percentage of the worlds population that has had this vaccine. Its minute. I am of a child bearing age, and its not a risk I want to take when I'm not sure if I have finished my family. We only need to read the studies on thalidomide to see the devastating effects of a drug that didn't follow the usual steps to be put into circulation.

In respect to discussions amongst my colleagues, I've found both nurses and doctors saying they won't have it, the more senior management (consultants and nurse leads) have all been encouraging us to have it, and have said loudly they will be having the vaccine. Whether they actually do is a different matter, the sceptic in me thinks they are promoting the correct image.

This is my exact rationale too for not being first in the queue. I am also not an anti vaxxer. Both my children are fully immunised but something doesn’t sit right with me about this. Full respect for those who do choose to have it though it’s just not for me at this moment in time.

‘PeppaPigOinkOinkOink
I'm a nurse, and absolutely 100% not a conspiracy theorist.....
In respect to discussions amongst my colleagues, I've found both nurses and doctors saying they won't have it, the more senior management (consultants and nurse leads) have all been encouraging us to have it, and have said loudly they will be having the vaccine. Whether they actually do is a different matter, the sceptic in me thinks they are promoting the correct image.’

Sounds like you are a conspiracy theorist then, if you think senior management are all getting together and pretending they will have the vaccine while actually lying about it.

Which, incidentally, sounds like a completely bonkers theory to me. Far more likely they’re saying they’re going to have the vaccine because they’re going to have the vaccine.

@madcatladyforever

I live in Glastonbury and seriously I am hearing dreadlocked hippies stoated on a lifetime of drugs and other substances tell me they are not having it because reptilian DNA is in it. I've learnt it's best not to comment, just smile sweetly.

We stayed in Somerset once and I decided it’s like a Mecca for hippies 🤨. It was an odd place.

@PeppaPigOinkOinkOink I agree with you on this ** management (consultants and nurse leads) have all been encouraging us to have it, and have said loudly they will be having the vaccine. Whether they actually do is a different matter

I would hate to be in Management and Senior positions because surely it will be expected of them to have it in order to set an example, even if they really, really don’t want it.

I’ve just seen on the news that care home staff and people who come into contact with vulnerable patients cannot be forced to have the vaccine, and so I imagine this includes nurses and doctors too.

I think it’s natural to be cautious.

I’m a psychiatric nurse. Covid has absolutely impacted our service massively and will continue to do for a while. I was hesitant at first (which, like I said, is a normal reaction to anything new) but I feel that in the cold light of day, it’s fine to have and I would be having it if I wasn’t pregnant.

I will wait until I’ve had the baby.

DH is a GP and will have to be one of the first to have the vaccine as he will be involved with administering it, including (I expect) visiting care homes to vaccinate residents. He is very happy to have it, especially, as a PP said, given the fact he is currently seeing patients with only a plastic apron and a paper mask for protection (and has been since the start of all this).

On a side note - does anyone else think that ‘COVID-secure’ protocols should be updated to take account of new evidence? DH is utterly fed up with spending half his time cleaning all the surfaces in his room after every patient, when I believe analysis of data from the pandemic suggests the chance of transmission from surfaces is actually incredibly low. There still seems to be a general obsession with cleaning surfaces all over the place, which I don’t think actually does much to prevent transmission.

@CaptainWentworth until we know know how Covid is spread even with the vaccine we will still have to continue with PPE and cleaning. Just in case.

@Hunnihun2 oh yes, I agree precautions will need to continue for a while- I just meant I don’t know how useful that particular precaution is, now we know more about the virus. I think most of the precautions that were put in place at the beginning of the pandemic were based on the behaviour of other viruses because we didn’t know much about this one. Now we do know more - not everything, but more- and all the precautions have stayed the same, mostly.

@Tootsietootie

I imagine the reason why nurses are much less likely to have it than doctor's is because doctor spend a lot of their training having to understand statistics. Statistically speaking getting an adverse effect to a vaccine is approximately one in a million, where's statistically speaking approximately 2.5% of people are getting a long-term effect from covid (over 12 weeks). Therefore the risk of adverse effect from a vaccine is so much less than the risk of an adverse effect on covid. so the sensible choice is to have the vaccine. Particularly if you don't want to pass it on to vulnerable patients. Having worked in a hospital I also assume nurses (not all!) Spend a lot more time reading social media than doctors and have been influenced by some of the scaremongering bollocks on there.

Lol

If doctors have been properly trained in reading research papers, they will be more likely to spot all the holes in the research and spot what we still don’t know.
Which, having read said papers and having the training to understand their limitations, is quite a lot.

Imo, the decision atm is taken on the balance of belief (vaccines are THE saviour vs vaccines like any medicine have the POTENTIAL to harm) rather than facts. On both sides.