Nurses not wanting the vaccine but doctors do??

[EachandEveryone]

If you are a nurse is it the same at your place? We talk about it a lot. I personally cant wait. All the doctors cant wait one consultant told me yesterday that he was “dissappointed” in our nursing colleagues only about a third of them want it. Same aa the flu jab. Hes tried to talk to us about it casually in the tearoom but people just shrug their shoulders they really arent interested. Two of them have been working from home because they wont wear masks and they wont be having the vaccine, where does that leave their jobs then I wonder?

What’s the consensus at your place?

I had covid in May and recently tested positive for antibodies, so will just wait a while before getting it, sometime next year maybe. I'm in a nursing home, our Nurses seem to be about 50/50 on who is ready to get it (the ones who didn't get covid mostly) and those of us who will wait a while.

No, nurse and medic colleagues all eager to have.

Reading this makes me sad. When my MIL was a student nurse she caught Polio, before there was a vaccine. It blighted her life, both physically and mentally.

@3littlewords

Sorry but how does a nurse work from home??

Depends on your role obviously, but our CEV nurses are doing telephone clinics if they are Nurse Specialists, and helping out with admin if not (requesting bloods, phoning patients to ensure they know about their appointments and admission dates, booking said appointments and scans). We have a massive backlog post-Covid and DNA rate is currently running at 30%, so our admin team need all the help they can get.

Is assisting a band 2 admin clerk the best use of band 5 and 6 time? Nope. But it’s not safe to have them on covid wards.

Im not talking about them having underlying problems Im talking about one point blank refusing to wear a paper mask the kind you have to wear in the trust not looking after avovid patients. So basically shes saying she cant step foot into the hospital as the paper mask gives her earache.

It does bother me when nurses are willing to throw their colleagues under a bus. I personally cant stand this I’ll let everyone else have the vaccine before me attitude. Nursing is the one profession were people dont have each others backs Im finding it more the older I get.

@Dreamingofvenice

Not nurses but I work in a care home at least a third of the staff aren't having it, we've had to give are details in today so we can get appointments in the next few weeks. Just makes me sad as we are going to have to continue with lockdowns and restrictions if people aren't prepared to be vaccinated

This is where money will talk, if I had to use a care home for a relative in the future I'd be asking if it's mandatory for staff to be vaccinated. I would pick a home that makes it compulsory. While staff probably can't be forced out on these grounds any new staff will have to have it.

@combatbarbie

I cant bloody wait. Its amazing how many of them read conspiracy theories.

Or maybe reading more that is thrust in our faces?? I'm not an anti vaxer by any means generally but I don't want the vaccine as it is, I want to know more about its potential side effects. They haven't, as far as I'm aware, clarified the danger of pregnant women having it.

I'm suspicious about how we're the first country because we know that Brexit would make getting them into the country problematic. The article I've just been reading says the European Medicines Agency says we could be setting ourselves up for problems.

But France are preparing their vaccination programme to commence in January 2021. The European Medicines Agency are meeting on the 29th December to approve. How is them approving it two weeks after us going to set us up for problems? Generally interested!

Why on earth wouldn’t you have the vaccine. You are on the front line, your colleagues have caught it and not always had a good outcome.

My DS is a student. He is having his CV19 test next week before he comes home. He says about 50% of his friends won’t be having it?

Just why?? We have been hand wringing about deaths, risks and begging for a vaccine and one comes or testing becomes more available and we say - do you know what NAH.

I honestly honestly just don’t understand.

@Changechangychange that sounds reasonable due to their health vulnerabilities it totally makes sense, not quite sure its reasonable for a nurse to wfh because they refuse to wear a mask though even without covid id expect nurses to wear masks on some occasions whether it be infection control or for procedures requiring a sterile environment

I think there are some sour grapes with the UK being the first. It’s not as though they are months and months behind. It’s literally a few days.

Surely if nurses refuse the vaccine it will never be safe for them to work face to face with patients. Expecting them to work from home indefinitely is really unfair on those who do have the vaccine, they will have to pick up all the extra work.

Student nurse - worked in ICU and A&E as part of deployment. Classmates and colleagues in these areas are all up for it. We have a list of vaccines we need to have or be in process of getting to be on our course. I’ve got the flu since I went into healthcare.

I’ve found it’s my nursing lecturers who weren’t frontline are the sceptics.
I might get early access if ward I’m on placement is rolling out. Only thing is I’ll be feeding a newborn so not sure if I’m allowed it. But hopefully by time I qualify next autumn I can get it that way!

@combatbarbie

I cant bloody wait. Its amazing how many of them read conspiracy theories.

Or maybe reading more that is thrust in our faces?? I'm not an anti vaxer by any means generally but I don't want the vaccine as it is, I want to know more about its potential side effects. They haven't, as far as I'm aware, clarified the danger of pregnant women having it.

I'm suspicious about how we're the first country because we know that Brexit would make getting them into the country problematic. The article I've just been reading says the European Medicines Agency says we could be setting ourselves up for problems.

There was somebody on R4 talking about pregnancy and the vaccine today. I think it was women's hour. So they have thought about it. They just rarely test drugs or vaccines on pregnant women anymore, for obvious reasons.

I don't know anybody medical who won't have it. I think seeing a colleague in ITU was sobering.

Nurses working from home.. really??. How does that work and if they really want to do that then nursing is not the right profession for them

Dh is a hospital Consultant, let’s just say he doesn’t want to be first in the queue! He’s not the only one of his team to feel like that. He will have it at some point obviously, but as he rightly points out we know nothing about the long term effects of this vaccine. Still it’s a gamble we are all going to have to take.

Or it should at least be a lower grade

I’m a nurse. Can’t wait. We had a discussion in our team and I think most of us are on board with getting it. One of my colleagues is more concerned with the potential risks more than the rest of us, but severe Covid and long Covid are bigger worries to me on balance.

@missyB1 given his position on the vaccine presumably he believes others should take that view as well which would mean we proceed for the time being with non vaccination as the norm. What does he feel would be the best alternative course of action . Genuine question

I don't want to be one of the 'first'.

I’ve heard this a lot, but we won’t be will we as the ‘first’ were the people on the trials.

There should be a point where when nurses refuse to have the vaccine, contributing to a safe working environment, they start to be laid off.

I know it's harsh, it if they refuse the vaccine, or even mask wearing, then they shouldn't be in that profession.

Nurses are so ridiculously over worked and stressed, this attitude is just horrible and shows the selfishness of people. Not caring that colleagues are really over worked because of them.

I don't want to be the first

Following on from a pp response. This is such a ridiculous response, there have been trials, people have had the vaccine. You won't be the first!!!

@Crazycatlady83 they are meeting to discuss it and go through data, they haven't said they will sign it off. Other countries have said they won't be following the UK just yet.

I just find it odd that given the size of the world and the hits being taken that we are the first.... Its almost as if we are the human trials.

And I see they have reinstated the vaccine compensation scheme but capped at £120k.....

I'm a paramedic. I'm low risk for covid on the risk assessment tool and I'm currently breastfeeding. I won't be having it until there is evidence to say it is safe whilst breastfeeding. I expect that it probably is (based on a range of other vaccines) and this will eventually be proven and backed up by evidence, but since covid presents very little risk to me then I will wait to have the vaccine at a later date.

When you train as a nurse you have to be fully vaccinated, there is no personal choice.

As a student nurse I disagree. There have been lists of vaccinations you’re advised to have and offered if you need them updated etc. But none are mandatory. And neither so far is the vaccine for covid likely to be. And rightly so.

Quite interested in people saying they don’t want it first. I participated in a vaccine trial so was clearly excited to be the first!

I do understand that those who’ve not had kids yet or are pregnant could be wary. But am baffled as to why others would refuse.
Yes there are risks but there are greater risks in catching covid IMO.