Nurses not wanting the vaccine but doctors do??

[EachandEveryone]

If you are a nurse is it the same at your place? We talk about it a lot. I personally cant wait. All the doctors cant wait one consultant told me yesterday that he was “dissappointed” in our nursing colleagues only about a third of them want it. Same aa the flu jab. Hes tried to talk to us about it casually in the tearoom but people just shrug their shoulders they really arent interested. Two of them have been working from home because they wont wear masks and they wont be having the vaccine, where does that leave their jobs then I wonder?

What’s the consensus at your place?

but if a healthy 25 year old gets COVID what are the chances of long term effects ? Pretty low it seems, but with the vaccine it’s unknown. That’s the rationale I hear.

Sure, but hopefully once tens of thousands have been vaccinated the general public will be reassured.

@Haffiana

All the doctors cant wait one consultant told me yesterday that he was “dissappointed” in our nursing colleagues only about a third of them want it.

Could it be a difference in intelligence, do you think?

my first ever Haffiana. Congratulations 👏

If you don't want the vaccine, don't have it when you are eventually offered it, a simple no thank you, I don't like new stuff and can you also not take a photo for my work ID because I believe it will steal my soul, will suffice

All those who are worried about the side effects of the vaccine - have you thought about the side effects of Covid? To me the vaccine wins over Covid

My daughter is a nurse who has just recovered from covid . She spent a week in ITU and another week on HDU . She will be at the front of the queue for the vaccine.

@Jent13c

Are you hospital based? Theres certainly no nurses on my ward who are working from home because they wont wear masks! Our vulnerable staff are just reassigned from covid patients if there are any on the ward. There has been absolutely no conspiracy theories either, we are professionals trained in evidence based practice and the only anti vax nurse I've ever heard of in the UK is the head of the conspiracy movement (who has also been struck off by the NMC).

The vast majority of nurses that I work with are young females in child bearing age and are nervous that the effects of this haven't been tested and this may affect their future children. Obviously due to the priority list we will be the guinea pigs of the women in child bearing age and some want to wait to see some more evidence especially if planning kids in next year or so. I personally have to stop breastfeeding my 10 month old to have it and it has been a big decision but will have it.

You're not the guinea pigs in any way. These vaccines have been tested of women of child bearing age.

I think it will become compulsory for ppl providing care to have this vaccine.

@Haffiana so you think the difference between AAA (medical student admission criteria) at a level and BBB (nursing degree admission criteria) is making the difference as to whether people choose to have the vaccine or not?

I won’t be having the vaccination (at this stage). I don’t grudge anybody who is choosing to have it. I’m interested to watch and hear.

I’d rather not be in the first experiment of people to trial it.

@chopc

All those who are worried about the side effects of the vaccine - have you thought about the side effects of Covid? To me the vaccine wins over Covid

Unfair comment. A lot of people have had Covid already. If you work in a hospital chances are you have had it already. Antibody tests were offered to a lot of the hospital staff too.

I don’t think anyone has any right to question anybody else’s choice at this stage so early on.

I honestly wouldn’t want a HCP who wasn’t capable of understanding the benefits of the vaccine anywhere near my care.

Millions of elderly vulnerable people refuse the flu vaccine every year. I see it every day. And that's been around for years. We even vaccinate healthy children with a live vaccine now en masse largely to overcome this non compliance and protect this group and no-one shouts about that.
So no, on a risk v benefit analysis I don't think the Covid vaccine should or will be compulsory for HCP.

Sadly, I think part of the reason there is even this thread is that the lack of integrity and honesty shown by large pharmaceutical companies historically has eroded trust. Whilst they do an enormous amount of good, they are Commercial enterprises and have sometimes fought to maintain or increase profit without holding human safety at the forefront . Ben Goldacre’s book Bad Pharma highlights some of this.

I don’t think they would take any risks with something so globally public that could be the downfall of their company if it goes wrong but also it was a race to market with something that could make huge sums of money.

I wish dearly that I could just simply trust those companies when they say something is safe, but because of that history, I do look into things more closely. Im not surprised that some doctors and nurses feel the same way.

My guess is that when my time comes to have it, the potential risks to me and society from Covid will outweigh the potential risks to me of the vaccine and I’ll have it - but I won’t just leap without looking carefully at it first.

I'm a nurse and would be at the front of the queue if they let me. Like any large population of people there will always be a percentage of 'laggards' as Rogers (1962) defined who are reluctant to meet the change and that goes for doctors and nurses. Eventually even most of the laggards will step up and get their vaccination.

@Pinkroses87

I honestly wouldn’t want a HCP who wasn’t capable of understanding the benefits of the vaccine anywhere near my care.

This!!!

Yes but how would look s you even know?

Sorry I’ll try again.

How would you know if a HCP had had it?

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On the ward I work, I would say at least half the nurses are unsure about having it done.

We work on an infants ward though and we haven’t had a single Covid patient since the pandemic began. Maybe if we worked with adults and saw the ‘reality’ of Covid like ITU nurses do we may feel different, but as it stands, it just isn’t part of our working life so we don’t see us as being at risk or our patients being at risk. Obviously we work alongside their adult parents but risk assessments and practices are in place to really reduce the chances of any Covid transmission should they be carrying it asymptomatically.

The nurses who are more keener to have the vaccine are obviously those who are older who have underlying conditions, whereas the nurses that are young (20-50) and are healthy are the ones who are a bit reticent, which makes sense.

I haven’t decided how I feel about it yet - I’m in work this Thursday so I will be interested to see what the ‘rules’ are for nurses in terms of having it done.

‘I’d rather not be in the first experiment of people to trial it.’

You wouldn’t be. Tens of thousands of volunteers have already done that for you.

Seriously, what do you think the pharmaceutical companies have been busy doing since April??

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel I’m aware they have done trials and research on The Pfizer vaccine. There is no evidence to say it prevents those vaccinated transmitting the virus. Quoted from my NHS emails.....

Each to their own. I will have it when I’m ready I’m in no rush!

Everything has side affects and currently I would rather not have the FIRST vaccine to be officially rolled out. I don’t know why your so uptight about my choice

None if the healthcare professionals on here have been able to tell me what the alternative is . If you don’t feel the vaccine is safe to take how do you feel we should proceed in the medium to long term , this is not a goads question I am genuinely interested because it feels from the press coverage as if it’s vaccine or nothing

Hopefully enough people will be responsible and have it. But those choosing not to are relying on a high uptake from everyone else to protect them.

It would be interesting if EVERYONE refused though, would those people be happy to keep going like this for years to wait for these so called long term side effects?

Obviously this wouldn't happen, but still. I trust scientists, not politicians or cherry picking articles from google.

[quote Hunnihun2]@TheCountessofFitzdotterel I’m aware they have done trials and research on The Pfizer vaccine. There is no evidence to say it prevents those vaccinated transmitting the virus. Quoted from my NHS emails.....

Each to their own. I will have it when I’m ready I’m in no rush!

Everything has side affects and currently I would rather not have the FIRST vaccine to be officially rolled out. I don’t know why your so uptight about my choice [/quote]
I’m not uptight about your choice, I’m uptight about you posting nonsense like ‘first experiment’ when there been three phases of trials.

I imagine the reason why nurses are much less likely to have it than doctor's is because doctor spend a lot of their training having to understand statistics. Statistically speaking getting an adverse effect to a vaccine is approximately one in a million, where's statistically speaking approximately 2.5% of people are getting a long-term effect from covid (over 12 weeks). Therefore the risk of adverse effect from a vaccine is so much less than the risk of an adverse effect on covid. so the sensible choice is to have the vaccine. Particularly if you don't want to pass it on to vulnerable patients. Having worked in a hospital I also assume nurses (not all!) Spend a lot more time reading social media than doctors and have been influenced by some of the scaremongering bollocks on there.

Sorry for all the typos!