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Nurses not wanting the vaccine but doctors do??

155 replies

EachandEveryone · 07/12/2020 13:36

If you are a nurse is it the same at your place? We talk about it a lot. I personally cant wait. All the doctors cant wait one consultant told me yesterday that he was “dissappointed” in our nursing colleagues only about a third of them want it. Same aa the flu jab. Hes tried to talk to us about it casually in the tearoom but people just shrug their shoulders they really arent interested. Two of them have been working from home because they wont wear masks and they wont be having the vaccine, where does that leave their jobs then I wonder?

What’s the consensus at your place?

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TonMoulin · 07/12/2020 21:01

I'd like to know what is the effect of getting the vaccine if you've had covid before....

many people who had clear symptoms haven't been tested during the first wave. And many more will have had wo being symptomatic.

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 21:23

I want to find out a bit more about it before I have it as I’m on biologics for my RA, I know it’s not a live vaccine (I can’t have live vaccines) but I need to know if I’m ok to have it.

You are fine to have it sidge (I know, randomer on t'internet, but the advice for people in your situation will confirm). It's nothing like a live vaccine.

frumpety · 07/12/2020 21:26

I'd like to know what is the effect of getting the vaccine if you've had covid before....

Would it be similar to if you have ever had Flu or a Flu vaccine before ? Lets be honest here , the science isn't massively different, it's not like everytime they bring out a new vaccine, it is a completely brand spankety new science thing. Which is why, along with absolutely no funding issues, it was a quick process this time, its not like they have suddenly re-invented the wheel !

Peaseblossom22 · 07/12/2020 21:27

I didn’t know there was a ‘bird flu’ vaccine for humans. I am still really interested to know what the alternative course of action advised by those medics who are sceptical of the vaccine is . I think it’s important to weigh up the alternatives

TonMoulin · 07/12/2020 21:31

@donquixotedelamancha

I want to find out a bit more about it before I have it as I’m on biologics for my RA, I know it’s not a live vaccine (I can’t have live vaccines) but I need to know if I’m ok to have it.

You are fine to have it sidge (I know, randomer on t'internet, but the advice for people in your situation will confirm). It's nothing like a live vaccine.

And you know that how?

As far as I am aware there has been NO STUDIES on the vaccine Pfizer is using (brand new protocol).
Can you share the research on that?

TonMoulin · 07/12/2020 21:35

@frumpety

I'd like to know what is the effect of getting the vaccine if you've had covid before....

Would it be similar to if you have ever had Flu or a Flu vaccine before ? Lets be honest here , the science isn't massively different, it's not like everytime they bring out a new vaccine, it is a completely brand spankety new science thing. Which is why, along with absolutely no funding issues, it was a quick process this time, its not like they have suddenly re-invented the wheel !

Where is the evidence?

I know that's always my answer. But I'd like evidence that covid is the same than the flu for example re vaccination (but isnt the same because we won't need a new vaccine every year... Hmm).

Atm there are areas where we have some evidence. And many things we don't know yet. I'd be very careful to jump to conclusions just because it fits a certain narrative.

Haffiana · 07/12/2020 21:38

All the doctors cant wait one consultant told me yesterday that he was “dissappointed” in our nursing colleagues only about a third of them want it.

Could it be a difference in intelligence, do you think?

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 21:38

And you know that how?

Listening to an interview with two experts from PHE and the NHS who are responsible for assessing the vaccine. They were taking questions on the Today programme and one was about this very issue.

As far as I am aware there has been NO STUDIES on the vaccine Pfizer is using (brand new protocol). Can you share the research on that?

I don't know what you mean by this. The safety and efficacy data has been released and it's been scrutinised by half the major health authorities in the world.

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 21:42

But I'd like evidence that covid is the same than the flu for example re vaccination (but isnt the same because we won't need a new vaccine every year... hmm). Atm there are areas where we have some evidence. And many things we don't know yet. I'd be very careful to jump to conclusions just because it fits a certain narrative.

What does that mean? What evidence? What narrative? You are just chucking vague insinuations around.

The evidence had been covered in detail. The vaccine modifies the disease so that most CV people, who would normally be very ill, do not get significant symptoms.

We do not yet know whether it will provide immunity to the virus or how long that will last, so no-one can answer about re-vaccination but it's likely it will be needed and every 1-5 years is probably a good guess.

Noti23 · 07/12/2020 21:42

My friend is a nurse and her and her colleagues can’t wait to get the vaccine

frumpety · 07/12/2020 21:43

@TonMoulin sorry I don't understand the question you are asking ?

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 07/12/2020 21:44

Can anyone tell me why those who've tested positive for antibodies / had a positive, symptomatic case already are being encouraged to vaccinate?

This isn't the norm with other illnesses unless its a new strain (as with influenza).

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 21:50

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

Can anyone tell me why those who've tested positive for antibodies / had a positive, symptomatic case already are being encouraged to vaccinate?

Not all symptomatic cases lead to antibodies and when they do the antibody response fades within months. The vaccine creates a stronger antibody response, giving greater protection and (hopefully, maybe) longer immunity.

Nellee · 07/12/2020 21:51

Can anyone tell me why those who've tested positive for antibodies / had a positive, symptomatic case already are being encouraged to vaccinate?

Good question.

Nellee · 07/12/2020 21:52

Where is the evidence for that @donquixotedelamancha?

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 21:54

This isn't the norm with other illnesses unless its a new strain

Actually it's very common. I believe the majority of vaccines don't give sterilising immunity, it's just that the ones which do a vastly more useful for mass vaccination and therefore more common.

The flu vaccine isn't just new strains, there are hundreds of entirely different viruses which cause flus, so the vaccine changes each year.

The actual immunity gained from one years flu vaccine might (for example) last several years for one flu but by the following year several more viruses have arrived in the UK.

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 21:55

Where is the evidence for that

For what?

FannyFifer · 07/12/2020 21:59

I'm getting to tomorrow along with lots of my nursing colleagues.

Christmasfairy2020 · 07/12/2020 22:00

I'm a nurse specialist working from home on tel calls and group programmes. I'll have it

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 22:01

That's what happened with the bird flu vaccine btw. And why there are now quite a few nurses etc.. suing because of how poorly they have been/are because of it.

I didn’t know there was a ‘bird flu’ vaccine for humans.

There isn't Peaseblossom22
www.nhs.uk/conditions/bird-flu/

Although I seem to recall the FDA authorising one for the H5N1.

It's almost as if some posters are just saying random things to cast doubt on the vaccine.

Baycob · 07/12/2020 22:08

People are saying the trial went well with 70,000 odd people so what’s the problem ?

I think the effects they are concerned about are the long term effects - which we can’t know yet, but we may hypothesise from similar vaccines.

Some of my medical colleagues are apprehensive, but they kind of test the water before engaging in full on conversations about it. I think it’s the younger Medics/HCPs who are concerned because if they get COVID they are very likely to have a good outcome, but they can’t predict the long term outcome of the vaccine so perhaps they want to take their chances.

Are we the first though ? The first for this vaccine, but Russia already allegedly stole the formula for this vaccine anyway and have been using it for months!

donquixotedelamancha · 07/12/2020 22:19

I think the effects they are concerned about are the long term effects - which we can’t know yet, but we may hypothesise from similar vaccines.

Well not just that, significant long term effects usually show up immediately.

They are rare enough in a live vaccine but would be very unusual in a vaccine with such a minor active component and vanishingly unusual not to have shown up already in large scale tests.

Baycob · 07/12/2020 22:26

@donquixotedelamancha

Ofc, but if a healthy 25 year old gets COVID what are the chances of long term effects ? Pretty low it seems, but with the vaccine it’s unknown. That’s the rationale I hear.

Not saying it’s right or wrong and I’ll have the vaccine as I have had just about enough disruption this year!!!

Tumbleweed101 · 07/12/2020 22:26

The people I've found most wary about the vaccine (general anti-vaxxers aside) are those who have either not yet come across the illness itself or have seen mild cases and don't think it's something to worry about and are therefore concerned about potential side effects of the vaccine.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 07/12/2020 22:31

@Haffiana

All the doctors cant wait one consultant told me yesterday that he was “dissappointed” in our nursing colleagues only about a third of them want it.

Could it be a difference in intelligence, do you think?

Can you elaborate on what you mean, please?