Why are people so inconsiderate and stupid

[youcanthandlethetruth]

I’m sorry, but just because we have masks doesn’t negate the need to keep socially distanced. 2 metres is the rule.

Today, I had a woman in M&S stand right next to me in the queue for 10 minutes. About 2 feet away. I got so annoyed I had to say to her would she mind moving over (was said politely) which was met with a blank look and no apology. She only stood next to me to bunk the queue for the food hall because she clearly couldn’t be bothered queuing like everyone else.

Children in Tesco running around. Standing right next to me and parents making no effort to call them back. Same for adults, absolutely no idea of what’s going on around them (too focused on what’s on the shelves) I have done my best with home deliveries but there’s is no slots for my area in the next week.

Walking in the park with the dog, I sit on a bench with my earphones in for 5 minutes. A woman walks over and decides to pet the dog then calls her daughter over to also pet the dog. I take my earphones out and said to her that I have vulnerable family members at home, would you mind not touching the dog with your hands in case you are transmitting anything onto his fur. She replied “Im going to sanitise my hands after touching him,” NO - that is not the point! How does that protect me or my family. You potential Covid carrier you

Why are people so inconsiderate. Just keep your distance away from everyone else as much as you can. Do not get close to people in aisles where it can be avoided and pay attention to how close you’re getting to someone else.

Just because you’re wearing a mask doesn’t mean you can’t still transmit the virus. Doesn’t mean you can get as close as you want to me. I have been fairly placid up until now but I am fed up. From now on the gloves are off.

People need to be respectful and mindful of other people's fears. No matter how irrational it may seem to you. Why would you knowingly do things you know would cause pain and fear to another human being, and make their day harder, just because you believe you are right in your belief and want to feel powerful in proving yourself right? You wouldn't expect someone with a fear of heights to just snap out of their worries and accompany you to the top of a tower, because it suits you and your lifestyle. Yes it can be hard to follow all the rules at times, but my comment is aimed at those who scorn upon another person's worry and distress and make absolutely no attempt to give every person they don't know the personal space and freedom to live without fear.

Hard to believe anyone is still relying up on IFRs from May.

Look at the WHO website which has now added John Ioannidis peer-reviewed paper that puts it at .23% and notes that it's likely to be brought lower still.

@Welikebeingcosy

People need to be respectful and mindful of other people's fears. No matter how irrational it may seem to you. Why would you knowingly do things you know would cause pain and fear to another human being, and make their day harder, just because you believe you are right in your belief and want to feel powerful in proving yourself right? You wouldn't expect someone with a fear of heights to just snap out of their worries and accompany you to the top of a tower, because it suits you and your lifestyle. Yes it can be hard to follow all the rules at times, but my comment is aimed at those who scorn upon another person's worry and distress and make absolutely no attempt to give every person they don't know the personal space and freedom to live without fear.

I won't be constrained by other peoples' unreasonable fears, and it's nothing like me trying to take someone with a fear of heights to the top of a tower. Did you strain yourself trying to find the least applicable metaphor?

You wouldn't expect someone with a fear of heights to just snap out of their worries and accompany you to the top of a tower, because it suits you and your lifestyle.

No, but nor would I expect them to insist that I refrain from going to the top of said tower simply because they have an irrational fear of so doing.

What a crap metaphor.

Op I completely agree with you. I think people actually sticking to social distancing are in the minority. IDGAF if I'm seen as being over the top or whatever else, I have a soon to be 3 month old at home and I won't put her at risk. People seem to think you are being rude by asking them politely to move back or respect your wishes. Additionally I think it's rude to touch someone's dog without asking even in non-corona times!

The onus is on you to a degree though. You can't get upset about people social distancing and not taking responsibility when you don't appear to be taking much reaponsibility either. I'm ecv and have been in supermarkets, but certainly not on Saturday afternoons, and I'm less concerned about it than you are judging by your post. It's a reasonable precaution I think.

It is annoying yes, but the onus is on you to put yourself if that situation or not. It's really odd from my point of view to be so concerned that you don't want people petting your dog in case they transfer xocid to its fur, then going to a supermarket at peak times.

Not all your fault and people are forgetful/selfish yes, but you know that, so don't put yourself in the situation. It's easier than stressing all the time.

@AcornAutumn

OP “ You potential Covid carrier you”

OMFG.

Well they are, aren't they? Everybody is. That's the whole point of pandemic control.

Well they are, aren't they? Everybody is. That's the whole point of pandemic control.

But 'pandemic' doesn't even have any metrics attached to it. It's meaningless. When do we get to stop?

@Refractory

Well they are, aren't they? Everybody is. That's the whole point of pandemic control.

But 'pandemic' doesn't even have any metrics attached to it. It's meaningless. When do we get to stop?

This.

I know I’m getting a bit broken record but my father specialised in this.

This is not infection control, in fact it’s awful how that has been neglected.

If people are viewed in this way, then they should have been viewed as walking biohazards since the start of time.

@Refractory

Well they are, aren't they? Everybody is. That's the whole point of pandemic control.

But 'pandemic' doesn't even have any metrics attached to it. It's meaningless. When do we get to stop?

Definition of pandemic :

(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

That's what we have unfortunately.

When's it going to stop? When we have enough people vaccinated and have something approaching herd immunity or that spread is at least under control. It's not forever. It's quite soon actually.

Tell me about it. I am getting fed up with it and when I mentioned on a local group about people and masks, I got a whole load of abuse. I reported the post and emailed admin.
It will be me that ends up in icu not the person who isn't wearing the mask. People, forget who they are talking to sometimes behind the screen! It really upsets me that people can't just be normal on discussions about masks and distancing.

Definition of pandemic :

(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

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OK, by this measure when were we not last in a pandemic? And what does 'prevalent' mean?

The supermarkets fair enough but the dog thing makes you sound batshit crazy.

@Refractory

So 60,000 plus deaths and all the people who have survived being in a coma for months only to have serious long term health issues is acceptable then?

Should it really just be a case of survival of the fittest just so that people are not inconvenienced? confused

I can see that you've resorted to the usual rhetoric (it's fine for people to die, then, is it) to make people feel guilty about desiring normalcy, it's really quite normal for 60,000 elderly and infirm people to die in the UK every year (quite a lot more, actually); or even not so elderly but infirm people to die, or fall into a coma. That's just life for you, people catch viruses and die.

So yes it's 'acceptable'.

The figures are only that low because we made laws and forced stupid people to follow them. If you didn't understand that the last 100 times it was explained you never will now so just stop trying and just obey the laws.

To be clear telling her not to Pat the dog is fine but the crap about family members and transmitting stuff onto the fur is ludicrous, why on Earth would you feel the need to say that?

The figures are only that low because we made laws and forced stupid people to follow them. If you didn't understand that the last 100 times it was explained you never will now so just stop trying and just obey the laws.

Firstly; no.

Secondly; there are now about 20 studies including the Lancet that have found zero correlation between lockdown and C19 mortality.

So again, no.

You do know you cant catch covid from someone passing you by right? You need sustained contact, ie. standing facing someone closer than 2ms for 10 or 15 minutes. Also, your obsession with the 'rules' is a bit much. Human beings arent robots, and rules like where to stand or walk are impossible to maintain after a long period of time. Humans will inevitably revert back to not thinking while they walk, especially if they are working in an environment where they are in contact with people on a daily basis and rules are pointless (like healthcare or teaching). The brain literally wont be able to ignore the rules in work and switch to them being important in a shop. Similarly a busy shop on a saturday isnt the greatest place to insist people somehow keep 2m from you at all times. You basically went to the worst place you can go if you want people to follow the 2m rule.

Honestly, it must be very stressful living in your head if you are this worried about 'the rules' and thinking you can catch covid so easily. Or is it that you arent concerned with catching it per say, and just more annoyed that there is a rule that someone isnt following?

@Refractory

Definition of pandemic :

(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

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OK, by this measure when were we not last in a pandemic? And what does 'prevalent' mean?

Does this help?:

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic

I'm sure I can come up with multiple examples if this doesn't suit.

@Refractory

The figures are only that low because we made laws and forced stupid people to follow them. If you didn't understand that the last 100 times it was explained you never will now so just stop trying and just obey the laws.

Firstly; no.

Secondly; there are now about 20 studies including the Lancet that have found zero correlation between lockdown and C19 mortality.

So again, no.

Link please?

@rslsys

Been like it ever since Lockdown started. We were in Morrisons in April, Stood with our trolley behind another couple who were choosing from the shelf we were waiting for. Woman going the other way down the aisle inserted herself between me and my trolley to get something off the shelf next to me. She must have been late 70's. No mask! Dozens of similar examples since then - always from the older demographic (we're mid 60's) who don't think the rules apply to them.

Another ageist sweeping generalisation that 'the older demographic don't think the rules apply to them'. Especially surprising if you're mid 60s yourself; surely you know that not all older people are the same?

Old people epple. This is a huge bugbear for me personally; can people try and remember whilst slagging off older people that this can be really confusing for them? My mum has dementia, and taking her shopping right now is difficult. She tries to wear a mask, it usually ends up under her nose, and reasoning doesn't work, so i take the approach that it's better than nothing, at least she's trying.

Whilst you assume covid is on everyone's mind, it's not on hers. And following arrows is pointless if you don't understand why.

I have become very vocal in response to eye rollers and tutters that have no idea of circumstances. So moan away, but keep in mind it may not be as straightforward for them as it is for you.

@opalescent

Jesus. Is this how people really think? Maybe all the 'potential covid carriers' are just seeking a bit of basic human connection.

This is madness.

Why would you need human connection with a stranger?

I don't get why SD is so hard. We are talking strangers. In normal times if someone stood breathing down my neck in a supermarket I'd ask them to step back. Not because of any virus, but because of personal space.
Same in office setting. I've always been considered rude to actually step back or ask ppl to step away from my desk a bit.

as per dog: why on earth would you pet a strangers dog? ever!

@Welikebeingcosy

People need to be respectful and mindful of other people's fears. No matter how irrational it may seem to you. Why would you knowingly do things you know would cause pain and fear to another human being, and make their day harder, just because you believe you are right in your belief and want to feel powerful in proving yourself right? You wouldn't expect someone with a fear of heights to just snap out of their worries and accompany you to the top of a tower, because it suits you and your lifestyle. Yes it can be hard to follow all the rules at times, but my comment is aimed at those who scorn upon another person's worry and distress and make absolutely no attempt to give every person they don't know the personal space and freedom to live without fear.

and yet many dog owners do exactly this when not having their dog on a leash on the street. One thing that actually was an unexpected, but really welcome change was when moving here is that in London most dog owners have dogs on a leash. Meaning that I can walk down a street without being on high alert every second :) I got so used to this in the past 10 years that yesterday when a dog ran at me barking not on a leash I screamed like a girl.

ps.: I'm a grown woman, so screaming like a girl was highly inappropriate and mildly funny.

"People need to be respectful and mindful of other people's fears. No matter how irrational it may seem to you. Why would you knowingly do things you know would cause pain and fear to another human being, and make their day harder, just because you believe you are right in your belief and want to feel powerful in proving yourself right?"

So much this. It's not even that hard to do.