We're having 2-3 teachers a day catching CV19 DFE You're not keeping us safe

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Look at the image from www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223
I've circled where we fall in classrooms. It's time for face coverings in classrooms. I don't want to loose any colleagues or my own life.

Clavinova in the nicest possible way, do you think you could engage with the evidence that people are presenting or the real life experience of teachers in state secondary schools currently, rather than repeating the same thing over and over again.

It's actually quite upsetting to see your flagrant disregard of the experience of posters like Aragog and your willingness to put the boot in for some unclear reason, other than your desire to keep saying the same thing over and over again.

I've just asked MNHQ if there is any possibility of them doing something to stop Clav posting the same repetitive, taunting and goady posts day after day, with no regard to the actual facts of the situation or the reality of life in state secondary schools at the moment.

It's particularly offensive given that her children are in private schools and she knows nothing about what life on the ground is like at the moment.

I think it's gone beyond 'debate' into abuse, but I'm not sure whether MNHQ will hold the same view.

WhoevenisGavin
You really need to stop this now

I am perfectly entitled to reply to borntobequiet's posts about me - and to point out that ChloeDecker posted a screen shot from another thread last night - I suppose she is a stalker as well. She posted this (to another poster);

"Now I just cannot believe a single word that you write because you have definitely told us you work in an independent school before. Bye bye now."

christinarossetti19
I've just asked MNHQ if there is any possibility of them doing something to stop Clav posting the same repetitive, taunting and goady posts day after day, with no regard to the actual facts of the situation or the reality of life in state secondary schools at the moment.

I would like to point out that I have largely avoided the school threads for months - noble said she thought I had left Mumsnet! Have you tried to stop any other posters from posting on here?

Can anyone show evidence that masks stop spread in schools ?
Are countries with a high outbreak showing less cases in schools?
I would have no real issue of my ds secondary age wearing a mask but only of they will have an effect
I know we wear them in a shop but that is fleeting passing , in a classroom for an hr a time and longer will they have the same affect ?
Poster on this thread or another whose school had implemented masks and all time who had a large outbreak ? My ds school had a couple teachers during half term but I don't think it will stay like that?
Just not sure that masks is the answer to fix it

And you equate those two, do you Clav ?

You equate someone lying about their kids going to a state secondary to score points, with someone who thinks on the balance of probability she caught coronavirus at work as (iirc) parents of her students had also tested positive so likely she had asymptomatic cases (or differently-symptomed cases, as those of us in the ground know that children with headaches, upset stomachs and fatigue have tested positive, and -guess what - they come to school with those symptoms) in her classes that she was sharing her air with all day?

The first is worthy of derision, the second very much not.

@dippymootoo some of us know incidences as some schools are being transparent
Our school has advised of cases even though person hasn't been in within the days before
Guess it varies from school to school plus the local facebook group do that job for the schools that don't by the look of it
Kids seem to be aware of what schools have had cases as well

christinarossetti19

As far as I can see, my first post on this thread was 10 pm last night - the thread started Saturday evening.

@TaxTheRatFarms but we are told by school to send children with a headache
My da has headache last week upon waking , he had a late night so i expect was late .
I took his temp ( normal ) gave him one paracetamol and it disappeared , kept him off for the day to monitor him - he was fine by 10 am but i checked temp all day just to be sure
Spoke to school who said he could go in
I would also get fined if I didn't send him , plus normal headaches are still about
I feel as a parent I was as responsible as I can be we can'y keep them off for 10 days with a headache or access a test

timeforanewstart Oh absolutely - I wasn’t trying to say that’s the parents’ fault at all. There’s a lack of transparency from the government (surprise!) about how symptoms can appear in children, which filters down to schools who as a whole* can’t justify children staying off with “unofficial” symptoms and put the pressure on parents to send them in.

*some schools have advised parents to test with those symptoms, but only a small number from what I can see.

TaxTheRatFarms

She quite clearly posted something on this thread that was not truthful or helpful in this debate;

"I went to great pains to make sure T and T knew the only place I'd been was school and the only people I'd had close contact with, besides Dh, were pupils."

And timeforanewstart I hope your ds felt better soon. It’s bloody stressful as parents when your dc are ill without the added “will the school agree that I’m sending them in/keeping them home?”

@Clavinova - can you not see that your bizarre inability to state clearly and simply what you obviously think, that the DfE advice to schools on masks is, in your opinion, wrong; and your obvious desire to find a way to blame teachers for following that advice, makes you come across as deeply unpleasant? Why so happy to blame teachers, yet so incapable of criticising the DfE?

Is it because it harms your narrative that the only problem with schools is teachers?

Why so happy to blame teachers, yet so incapable of criticising the DfE?

The complication is that in the mix are head teachers. I think they should be discussed more in this context.

“Close contact” being the key word there. If Aragog is a primary school teacher, close contact is sometimes inevitable. You won’t understand that as you’ve never been in a school as a teacher and simply don’t understand the day to day occurrences of the job. You’ll roll out some guff about staying two metres away (as per the dfe) without understanding (like the dfe*) that this isn’t always possible.

*maybe I’m doing them dirty there. After all, in their guidance they had to put “where possible”, knowing that at times it wouldn’t be.

Also “truthful and helpful”? What was truthful and helpful about you insisting that schools had received their full allocation of laptops, when teachers on the ground where telling you the laptops simply hadn’t arrived? Where was the truth and helpfulness in telling them that what they were experiencing was wrong? And, etc. etc.

@TaxTheRatFarms he was fine by 10 am so I do think it was just late night headache , too much screen time. But you never know although none of us have been unwell since so hopefully it was nothing.
It makes it hard as he had his school report and I was told as they have to attendance is below the level they would like as he also had a couple days off whilst I awaited a test and result , so you feel like you are getting a slapped hand despite doing the right thing.
Luckily my test was negative and we were allowed to get back to normal quite quickly

@TaxTheRatFarms I have never been a teacher but surely everyone knows staying 2 m away is impossible due to most school's set up and age if primary
As adults in an office of 5/6 we sometimes forget and our office is small and the 2m are just so if you both get up and move at same time your less than 2 m
I don't even thinks its actually probably right for a teacher to be 2 m plus away from an upset 5/6 year old ,
At my ds school the teachers can in many lessons stay 2 m away so are lucky but its not always possible and they can't always control and stop a child that forgets and walks straight up to them

@notevenat20 - discuss headteachers in what way? If Clavinova disagrees with the DfE advice, she doesn’t need to ask a headteacher if she’s allowed to say so.

discuss headteachers in what way

Different heads set different policies. The DfE advice is often of the form of advice rather than rules and then it's up to the head.

It’s the spin that is annoying. The inability to say, eg, you don’t think masks will make much difference to spread anyway, they won’t be used properly and will inhibit communication, so you think teachers should just accept the risks of being in enclosed spaces with a lot of people, mask-free, with inadequate ventilation, inadequate distancing and inadequate cleaning, because you don’t want to give schools more money for these things.

TaxTheRatFarms
“Close contact” being the key word there

It says quite clearly in the op's link;

"A case report from an outbreak at a restaurant in China described 10 people within three families infected over one hour, at distances of up to 4.6 m and without direct physical contact."

I was told to read the paper in the op's link - I did!

Why do I have to give my contact details when I go to a pub or a restaurant if I am only sitting with my own family?

TaxTheRatFarms
You equate someone lying about their kids going to a state secondary to score points

I misread your post - ChloeDecker was challenging a teacher at an independent school - not a parent.

As per PHE, “Coronaviruses can be spread when people with the virus have close, sustained contact with people who are not infected. This typically means spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person, such as talking to someone for instance.”

Not only the DfE, but also PHE are wrong? You’re having a mare today

For what it’s worth I agree that the PHE guidelines may well be too lax. Especially in light of that BMJ journal article that you read. However unlike you, I know that children can and do spread coronavirus in schools, especially teenagers.

So, 2m isn’t enough. 4.6 metres may still be risky. Good to know.

Oh I misremembered too Clav - the poster lied and misrepresented herself. That she misrepresented herself as a state secondary teacher makes it worse in this situation.