We're having 2-3 teachers a day catching CV19 DFE You're not keeping us safe

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Look at the image from www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223
I've circled where we fall in classrooms. It's time for face coverings in classrooms. I don't want to loose any colleagues or my own life.

Omg Clav what are you hoping to get out of this other than to make yourself look really bad?

Even if you manage to cast doubt on Aragog’s entirely reasonable self-assessment of where she most likely caught covid, what will that change? I know colleagues who caught covid at school. Their classes had a positive case and then so did they.

Do you want to dig around and see if they also took in a parcel without washing their hands?

Believe what you like.

Dd came home before I was ill for a socially distanced visit for a specific reason: she wasn't even in the same car as us or sat at the same table.

She came back the weekend after but again, after my symptoms had started plus we know she was negative at that point. She has never tested positive at all before or after.

The meal in a pub was AFTER my symptoms started but before we realised it was Covid. These friends requested to be classed as close contacts to be safe side even though we realised I'd had symptoms before and despite being sat at a distance. They tested negative anyway after.

4 people in total at dh's work have had Covid, out of well over a hundred. None on his floor and no one he had any contact with whatsoever. And the others he knows of who's had Covid were clients who he has no face to face contact with at that point.

Take aways delivered to the door are of very limited risk. As are post and deliveries. Besides which Dh always collects the take seats and seres up so again very limited risk.

The only person I have CLOSE contact - 2m for 15 min plus is Dh. who has never tested positive nor shown any symptoms before, during or since.

One staff member had Covid before me and this was from an outside corset. He is SLT and I have no close or same room contact with him.

Since starting back at school I have been careful to follow as many rules as possible.

As you demonstrate it's easy to find my posts.

The reality is Covid almost certain came from school. The doctors at the hospital, the cardiologist, my rheumatologist and my go all came to the same conclusion
. The fact that parents of the children in the classes I taught tested positive around the same time abd staff from those classes tested positive not long after are good enough indications I would think.

Anyway I've had enough. I'm not prepared to do this.

I have messaged Mums et to close my account and, if possible, remove all indication of my time in Mumsnet at least under this name.

After 17 years of mumsnet I am out.

Thank you to those of you who are continuing to fight for safer schools. I will support you all the way

Fucking hell.

Aragog take a break if you need to but please come back x

It's not a flounce or anything.

I have to be careful with my health, my stress and my blood pressure right now. Mumsnet isn't the right place for that right now. It a conclusion I've done to over the last week or so and tonight sealed it.

So whilst I may read eventually I won't be posting.

Take care

Oh mate I can see how that might be a sensible conclusion to come to. I wish it wasn’t.

Take care of yourself x

WHY are ppl still trusting the PCR test and it's cycles? Simply why?????

Take care Aragog.

Clavinova has in the past accused me of bullying her, when I all I had done was refute some of her assertations and @ her.

My experience tells me that people who accuse one of some sort of unpleasant behaviour often choose a behaviour they demonstrate frequently themselves, Donald Trump being the most obvious example.
@Aragog, and sympathy. Your experience is recognisably true to life and reflects that others on here, unlike the shiny, insubstantial facade of your critic.

You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself Clav. Must be nice being all safe in your home as a SAHM and easy to fling false accusations around. What you have done to Aragog is despicable, way off the mark and not the ‘catch you out’ you seem to think it is.
Aragog I know you probably aren’t reading but do take care and we are here if you ever feel you can come back. I totally understand why you feel the way you do.

Excessive searching of somebody's previous posts and then sharing them from another thread is not in the spirit of Mumsnet. I am glad you are enjoying it clav.

Is it only teachers that can't get covid at work? Is this a concern about evading RIDDOR reporting and consequences perhaps?

Yes, only teachers who are told that they must have caught covid elsewhere. The sitting in poorly ventilated rooms with 150 people a week without masks has nothing to do with it. Nor has the fact that children disappear on Thursday and we are told, yeah, their mum was tested on Monday and had only just got round to letting the school know. We must have caught it from all our socialising in locked staff rooms or from last week’s Amazon delivery.

Wow this thread got mean.
@Aragog

On the independent school front, I teach in an independent and we are struggling too. I may only have 25 in my class but my classrooms don't fit more than that without actually sitting on each other's laps so we still can't social distance. And we still have to follow all the useless government guidance, our corridors are still packed and we are still only able to send home pupils sitting directly next to positive cases. Pupils don't social distance and complain if we wear masks to teach in that they can't hear us.
The boarding houses are another worry.
I feel lucky that my Head has juggled finances and we have extra permanent cleaners constantly cleaning and I'm cross that my state school colleagues do not even have that but that really is the only advantage we have.
Susan does not speak for the whole independent sector!

How do you know the level in school if you are a parent? Secondary school was notifying parents of cases but now you only know if you’re child is sent to self isolate (or your friend’s child is).

My child is CV and does have some extra measures in school but it worries me I don’t know the prevalence in school.

I don’t understand the reluctance to try to reduce spread, it isn’t simply schools are open or shut. I really feel for all of you working in schools.

@Isthatitnow you’ve just given me a chill. The only cases at my small primary are parents. Children self isolated. Now I’m wondering.

Is there any evidence that teachers are catching covid-19 more frequently than other professional groups with the same age profile?

Yes there is, noteven

There's also evidence that it is being covered up.

www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-schools-urgent-warning-over-misleading-teacher-covid-data

@Aragog I don't know if you're still reading, but your PM never reached me, says it has been deleted (and the one I sent you, which is weird). I would like to know that you're ok.

Gutted to see that Aragog has been chased off the board. We teachers are doing our very best for your kids, Clav. It's really bloody difficult. And rather worrying for us all, let alone those with health issues.

Take care Aragog. Nil desperandum and all that.

@Aragog, I'm SO sorry to hear that you feel this way, but totally understand. More to you and wishing you continued recovery.

Hope one or two of the posters on here are feeling satisfied with their handiwork.

I am at this. If only people were putting in the same kind of effort to support us.

Aragog I am so upset for you that this has happened on top of everything you have been through. Please take care of yourself and I wish you all the best in your recovery

The masks are all a red herring. Staff wearing masks is not, in itself, enough to prevent Covid spreading and transmitting. I thought we all knew that. By wearing masks, teachers are protecting others. The protection it affords teachers is lesser.

Masks need to be universal to really work (as we know; that's why staff in supermarkets now have to wear them as well as shoppers) and should be worn in conjunction with hand hygiene , ventilation and social distancing.

Actual tecahers over and over again on thes eboards report that these thigns are not available, supported or applied (whether by SLT following DfE guidelines , or by DfE is splitting hairs). JVT et al would be horrified, I am sure, if they saw inside an actual school during a working day.

Why oh why do posters continuously minimise and dismiss teachers' concerns? Why this disbelief? Is it because it is an inconvenient truth? Is it fear? Or is it just bullying?

Well, I have my theory.