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Data & analysis thread, started 1 December

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NoGoodPunsLeft · 01/12/2020 06:08

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MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 17:16

@Piggywaspushed

Surely marsha, once they realise/find out how many cases there are, the schools will close.
I don’t know! What happened in Liverpool?

I missed if it was voluntary actually - preparing dinner and a cliffhanger like that got to me

lurker101 · 10/12/2020 17:16

@ChristmasinJune I’m watching on BBC news

Piggywaspushed · 10/12/2020 17:16

Interesting question, that. Never heard what the outcomes were in age groups for Liverpool but some schools were closed already.

lurker101 · 10/12/2020 17:16

@MarshaBradyo voluntary, but strong encouragement to parents for kids t test, and surely with Christmas and potential mixing with other households over Christmas most people will jump at the chance to test

Piggywaspushed · 10/12/2020 17:17

This is eventually an admission (and a vindication for teachers?) that teenage children drive spread, no?

PatriciaHolm · 10/12/2020 17:17

@Piggywaspushed

Surely marsha, once they realise/find out how many cases there are, the schools will close.
By the time they've actually tested and got results, it'll be the holidays anyway!
Piggywaspushed · 10/12/2020 17:20

True.Poor bloody teenagers holidays ruined...

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 17:21

Can you do that much anyway? Can’t mix with friends inside. I suppose you can hang out in the cold Grin

PatriciaHolm · 10/12/2020 17:22

@Piggywaspushed

True.Poor bloody teenagers holidays ruined...
Yes....I wonder how many parents won't push their teens to do it, on the basis that they don't want to have to make them isolate over the holidays if "they're feeling fine!" .....
MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 17:22

Sorry grin seems too much

That sent me loopy I really thought his next line was going to be....

I’m all for testing.. not sure which boroughs / areas it’s in

PatriciaHolm · 10/12/2020 17:22

@MarshaBradyo

Can you do that much anyway? Can’t mix with friends inside. I suppose you can hang out in the cold Grin
DS (14) wears shorts all year round - cold is not a Thing for him!
MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 17:23

Be... so therefore we are shutting the schools

FeelingBIue · 10/12/2020 17:26

Just wish they'd started mass testing in the East London boroughs sooner - its been obvious there's a problem for several weeks.

PatriciaHolm · 10/12/2020 17:28

@MarshaBradyo

Sorry grin seems too much

That sent me loopy I really thought his next line was going to be....

I’m all for testing.. not sure which boroughs / areas it’s in

The "seven worst affected boroughs" - looking at @rp131 on Twitter, I would guess Waltham Forest, Redbridge, Havering, Haringey, Bromley, Enfield, Kingston based on 7 day rates.
FeelingBIue · 10/12/2020 17:30

Boys3 - Matt Hancock just said biggest rise in secondary age group children - seemed to reference London. Testing all secondary school age kids in worst affected boroughs and bits of Essex.

Just like they did in the north west, north east, Yorkshire. Hang on oddly they didn’t do that hmm

I thought they did do mass testing in Liverpool and then made it available to all areas in tier 3? Not just for school children, but for anyone whether they had symptoms or not. Did they not follow through on this?

Piggywaspushed · 10/12/2020 17:42

They did :but they didn't specifically target areas (in fact worst affected areas had worst turnout?) or age groups.

Shitfuckoh · 10/12/2020 17:52

North East here.
If they did mass testing in my city, no one I know was aware of it. Sure couldn't get tests without symptoms.

1 of my DCs schools fully closed for the week before half term due to the amount of cases within his school. We were told only to test if symptoms.

boys3 · 10/12/2020 17:55

@FeelingBIue I’m not sure if that is a serious question Smile

But the simple answer is not really beyond the Liverpool effort. Last 7 days there have been c. 220,000 LF tests across England’s 315 council areas. How many of those were uni testing I don’t know.

Interestingly if I heard correctly they’ll initially be using PCR tests for the broadened, possibly a more accurate word than mass, testing in London schools which of course will find far more positives. By a factor of about 20.

TheSunIsStillShining · 10/12/2020 18:04
  1. Playing around with TTR numbers by changing what counts is actually cheating and falsifying data!
  1. Why do I have the sinking feeling that the test all sec.school kids is again only a smokescreen. Why on earth is it so hard to have a mobile testing unit and swab all 100 kids in one day? Who was swabbed: go home until results.
I'm all for liberties and such, but there is a point when some things should be mandatory for the greater good.
FeelingBIue · 10/12/2020 18:07

@boys3 yes, it was a serious question.

I thought I'd heard when the latest Tiers were announced that additional support and testing would be available to all areas put into Tier 3.

Obviously I was wrong.

lurker101 · 10/12/2020 18:08

@TheSunIsStillShining can you explain why you disagree with 1? Not being argumentative just curious because I thought it was a positive step in that if they contact one person in household it counts for all - my understanding of that is that if I test positive, and say I’ve been in contact with my boyfriend and 6 kids (don’t actually have any!) that if they call and speak to my boyfriend and he agrees to tell 6 kids to isolate that’s 7 contacts contacted which makes more sense to me than calling 7 times and asking to speak to a 2 year old. But I suspect I’ve probably misunderstood

TheSunIsStillShining · 10/12/2020 18:13

[quote lurker101]@TheSunIsStillShining can you explain why you disagree with 1? Not being argumentative just curious because I thought it was a positive step in that if they contact one person in household it counts for all - my understanding of that is that if I test positive, and say I’ve been in contact with my boyfriend and 6 kids (don’t actually have any!) that if they call and speak to my boyfriend and he agrees to tell 6 kids to isolate that’s 7 contacts contacted which makes more sense to me than calling 7 times and asking to speak to a 2 year old. But I suspect I’ve probably misunderstood[/quote]
As far as I can tell the new methodology is to put the blame responsibility on 1 person. Imagine a house share. 5 ppl living together. I am one. How should I know what X has been up to? Or how should i know X's workplace contacts, etc.
Another scenario: family of 3, 1 teenage boy.
How can mum give contact info for H's colleagues? Do you really think mum knows all teenager's contacts (name/number/etc)? I know the names, approximately where they live, but that's it.

It's basically the same that they are doing in schools: outsourcing their work, but without ever paying the sub-contractors.

Please someone tell me I totally misunderstood how it works.

PrayingandHoping · 10/12/2020 18:14

Luton started mass testing for anyone (even without symptoms) again today

www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/hertfordshire-news/how-can-luton-covid-test-4774686

They are (currently! Hopefully not for long!!) tier 2

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/12/2020 18:17

Just like they did in the north west, north east, Yorkshire. Hang on oddly they didn’t do that.

I'm fuming.

The north has suffered horribly. The "only test with symptoms" thing has been devastating and I certainly know of cases in schools where children and staff have been asymptomatic.

Hull must be raging.

AnyFucker · 10/12/2020 18:25

Mass testing a la Liverpool stylee was promised for Tier 3 areas

No sign of it in my area (Gtr Manchester)

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