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@AnyFucker nothing here in (Leicester) either. Feeling very much cast adrift here and it's doing nothing for our levels of compliance.

I'm sorry to sound ungracious, but it feels like the government jump to attention for some areas and not others.

Leicester had no extra financial help, unlike that negotiated for other areas and none seems to want to help us.

When people feel like they don't matter they start to take matters into their own hands .

Indeed, they do.

@thesun Test and trace only speak to contacts of actual cases, not contacts of their family members. So if you're positive they can now count trust you that you've told your family members and only need to focus on your other contacts. Your teenage son's contacts don't come into it (unless they are people you've been in close contact with yourself) They're doing now what they should have done from the start and not bothering families repeatedly - there was a case reported of a poor woman who'd been called about 26 times or something because she'd tested positive and given her own phone number for her young children, one of whom subsequently tested positive themselves, triggering ever more calls....

I think the mass testing of teenagers is a great thing. I'd jump at the chance to get my teen tested before she sees the family at Christmas. We're not in London though so probably won't happen.

No signs of mass testing that I've heard in our tier 3 area either.

I wonder how many will take them up on the school testing offer, we are now in the period where a positive case within a household will result in the household contacts isolating until Xmas eve or beyond. I wonder how many without symptoms will risk it?

Crossed posted with @Firefliess. I think a fair few will have the opposite attitude to you. As in won't want to risk chance to see family at Xmas and think chances of passing it on are small but suspect you'll get people in both camps.

We aren't mixing so isolating over Xmas not end of world but ds has had it anyway and not secondary age so wouldn't qualify.

I think if DD herself had it I'd be glad to know about it and keep her away from family. If she was told to isolate because if being a contact (again) I'd be more pissed off and wish we'd not been told. But I wouldn't be able to control whether her classmates got tested, so reckon most people will treat get their kids tested if they're planning to see family at Christmas.

I feel like I just can't listen to anymore from Hancock and Johnson and the rest of them. I know I'm lucky in South Devon but I can't believe what a mess they are making of it all. How some areas in the north have been treated is just awful, midlands as well (anything north of Bristol is north down here and I've been brain washed) How schools have been treated, how the old and vulnerable in homes have been treated. I feel like crying.

I have no respect left for the likes of Whitty and Vallance.

Never mind Johnson, Hancock et al. I am fucking sick of seeing Jeremy Hunt's face on my tellybox. Why doesn't the "former Health Secretary" just fuck off ?

Sorry, completely subjective. Will shut up now.

Jeremy Hunt isn't making the bloody decisions though, I can't stand the ones who stand there lying to us.

For areas in tier 3 that aren't doing mass testing I would be contacting your MP and asking why

The system is meant to be its on the table and it's up to the local leaders to arrange it. So I would be on to your local leaders to make sure it's happening.

If it comes back as a central government road block then it needs to be in the media

If tier 2 areas can get it I don't see why tier 3 can't. There's bought special about Luton!!!! But they did it in the summer already (although the old tests not the new quick ones like this time). But the local leaders know how to set it up and the benefits of it so I'm sure that's why they've got it!

"Nought special". Flipping predictive text!

There were apparently 10,000 tests per borough sent to a load of boroughs including all greater Manchester - I’ve not heard or seen anything about them in my borough though (and not sure 100,000 tests out of a population of 2.8m could be counted as mass testing)

@Firefliess
How I read it:
If person A, B, C go for a test from the same household and A and C test positive: they will only speak to A, not C and it is A's responsibility to let C know that they should isolate.

And btw why do ppl keep using the word isolate instead of quarantine? It sounds much harsher than necessary... If only this was our main problem....

No I don't think that's right @thesun. They speak to all cases (so A and C in your scenario) But they used to also have to speak separately to family members who were contacts of cases. Now they are allowed to assume the (bloody obvious) that people who've tested positive tell their own families. But if there's a second positive case in a family I think they do need to speak to them as a new case

@Firefliess
Thanks, that makes more sense. Although I wonder wouldn't mandatory family/living with them ppl testing be a good idea? It makes no sense that if I have covid my son should still be going to school. He can have later onset symptoms, be asymptomatic....but the likelihood of him catching it is bit bigger than him not catching it .

@TheSun Your son shouldn't be going to school of you have Covid. He's allowed to if you've just been a contest contact of someone though

@Firefliess
I'll have to believe you, as A)my son doesn't go to school B)my mind is drawing a blank on everything after reading the brexit news. Off to play puzzles and not speak stupid things that I otherwise know.

So, occupation is new on here this week? Page 17

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/942966/Weekly_COVID-19_and_Influenza_Surveillance_Graphs_W50.pdf

I'm saying nothing....

@TheSunIsStillShining I find your take on it very interesting, I read it as fireflies read it, and BBC seem to be reporting the same, but having read the Government report on it I’m now quite unsure, think I’ll do some digging tomorrow

Sorry just realised I hadn’t refreshed and have missed quite a few posts on this 😌

[quote Chaotic45]@AnyFucker nothing here in (Leicester) either. Feeling very much cast adrift here and it's doing nothing for our levels of compliance.

I'm sorry to sound ungracious, but it feels like the government jump to attention for some areas and not others.

Leicester had no extra financial help, unlike that negotiated for other areas and none seems to want to help us.

When people feel like they don't matter they start to take matters into their own hands . [/quote]

Coming on to say the same @Chaotic45 I'm in Leicester city and no signs of any increase testing at all this go around, we had the doorstep testing back in July, but now we're tier 3 there's nothing at all about extra tests.

Just not as special as London I suppose.

Anyfucker bloody Hunt piss off. Odious twat.

@FeelingBIue , no you are completely correct in what you heard. It just has not translated into a practical reality on the ground.

@Piggywaspushed

So, occupation is new on here this week? Page 17

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/942966/Weekly_COVID-19_and_Influenza_Surveillance_Graphs_W50.pdf

I'm saying nothing....

Yes I noticed that. They are very confusing categories; I'm sure it's deliberate.

The graphs on p23 and 24 of the full report are also misleading. I think the scales on the y axis have been deliberately adjusted to make some of the graphs look more serious than others.