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Pomegranatespompom · 30/11/2020 22:56

Did anyone watch the poverty and covid report? It was incredibly sad, people living in absolutely awful circumstances. There was no SD/mask wearing,. An utterly depressing watch.

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Nannewnannew · 02/12/2020 06:14

@thebiggestmoose

Well I agree with dailycarbuncle. This was obviously what was going to happen and the pearl clutching "it's so awful I'm going to donate to the local food bank!" is just bollocks.
Ok, I agree that you have a point,but, I said in a previous post that I would donate my winter fuel allowance to homeless charities and food banks, but because you think I’m Pearl clutching you think I should not bother? That’s fine, if everybody didn’t bother would you want to explain to the recipients why there’s suddenly no food? Believe me, I’ve probably lived long enough to know that changes don’t happen overnight unfortunately and most Governments are just self serving hypocrites who pay lip service to helping the most vulnerable in society. I liken giving to a food bank, to stemming the flow of blood from a dying person, I’m not going to stand around and debate the ins and outs of a ducks arse, I’m going to take immediate action, so if that offends you-then tough.
WineAndHobnobs · 02/12/2020 07:27

@Sobeyondthehills thanks for the explanation.

TheDailyCarbuncle · 02/12/2020 09:13

@Athinginitself

Its also disproportionately people living in poverty that are affected by poor health. So its really not that straightforward.

You have made absolutely no point at all here.

It is true that people living in poverty are affected by poor health. So how is plunging more people into poverty going to 'save lives'?

thedaytodayyesterday · 02/12/2020 11:41

[quote TheDailyCarbuncle]@Athinginitself

Its also disproportionately people living in poverty that are affected by poor health. So its really not that straightforward.

You have made absolutely no point at all here.

It is true that people living in poverty are affected by poor health. So how is plunging more people into poverty going to 'save lives'?[/quote]
exactly.

Ohthatsgreat · 02/12/2020 12:24

Several posters on this thread were not aware how difficult life is for some and want to help

I saw this segment on the news the other day. It is upsetting. It’s also surprising to me that people are saying they didn’t realise how hard life is for some people. These people have always been there, living in the shadows, on edge of the society forgotten about because they don’t matter to politicians or most of the public. What kind of society are we when we don’t realise these people exist?!

The lady who hadn’t received her visits in relation to cancer upset me because I have seen the stats about missed appointments and non COVID care. This is what lockdown is causing. And if you are educated, have the internet, know your rights you can kick up a stink and demand your visits. But poorer people often can’t do that for themselves due to all the barriers and hence they get left behind and forgotten about. I genuinely believe most lockdown advocates are well off in secure employment or retired with secure income and haven’t thought one jot about the people featured in that news segment. It will be a national scandal when we look back over this.
And I don’t like the comments discussing who voted what in this area as though that serves them right?? At the end of the day if you live in a poor area with little prospect of jobs, poor schools, poor environment then you might well vote for whoever is offering some kind of hope even if that is misguided. These people still deserve decent places to live, jobs, schools etc regardless of how they voted or didn’t vote. The council is under no overalls control so it is up incumbent on all parties to work together to make improvements for these people.

BlueBrian · 02/12/2020 12:39

Burnley voted for both Brexit, and a Tory MP, you can't fix stupid.

Porcupineinwaiting · 02/12/2020 12:42

@Ohthatsgreat it's not lockdown that causes missed cancer care appointments, it's the pandemic itself. Not having lockdown would fill the hospitals with COVID patients even more, making them even more dangerous to those with underlying conditions, especially cancer patients receiving treatment, and result in many more missed appointments as staff got sick or were diverted, or because the patients themselves became too scared to attend.

MarshaBradyo · 02/12/2020 12:43

Burnley voted for both Brexit, and a Tory MP
Ah difficult.

I watched the clip, the desperation is very sad.

MarshaBradyo · 02/12/2020 12:45

[quote Porcupineinwaiting]@Ohthatsgreat it's not lockdown that causes missed cancer care appointments, it's the pandemic itself. Not having lockdown would fill the hospitals with COVID patients even more, making them even more dangerous to those with underlying conditions, especially cancer patients receiving treatment, and result in many more missed appointments as staff got sick or were diverted, or because the patients themselves became too scared to attend.[/quote]
And this. It must be the most incorrect notion that had lasted the longest.

Pomegranatespompom · 02/12/2020 12:45

Oh we re not allowed to feel sad @MarshaBradyo apparently that makes us smug, patronising, middle class pearl clutchers.

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MarshaBradyo · 02/12/2020 12:45

That no lockdown would bring about more cancer care that is

MarshaBradyo · 02/12/2020 12:46

@Pomegranatespompom

Oh we re not allowed to feel sad *@MarshaBradyo* apparently that makes us smug, patronising, middle class pearl clutchers.
Definitely sad. I just am so bloody relieved about the vaccine news today. It would have got much much worse.
Pomegranatespompom · 02/12/2020 12:50

Agree - fantastic news.

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TheDailyCarbuncle · 02/12/2020 13:37

[quote Porcupineinwaiting]@Ohthatsgreat it's not lockdown that causes missed cancer care appointments, it's the pandemic itself. Not having lockdown would fill the hospitals with COVID patients even more, making them even more dangerous to those with underlying conditions, especially cancer patients receiving treatment, and result in many more missed appointments as staff got sick or were diverted, or because the patients themselves became too scared to attend.[/quote]
My argument here is (sorry for caps but it seems difficult to get this point across):

LOCKDOWN IS NOT A SOLUTION

Lockdown is a lazy, unimaginative panic measure that appeases the fearful and suits people who have comfortable living conditions and 'safe' jobs.

It doesn't actually do anything positive.

With lockdown, people still struggled to access healthcare, so it didn't solve that problem.

With lockdown, other illnesses, especially mental illnesses have not only been neglected, they have increased, due to isolation, loneliness, stress, lack of access to support etc. It didn't solve a problem there, it created one.

Lockdown causes people to lose their livelihoods, their businesses and their jobs. Again, not solving a problem, just creating one.

Thousands of people who locked down and followed every rule still got covid, many of them in hospital, when they were at their most vulnerable. Once again, not solving a problem, just delaying one.

Meanwhile, people who are at low risk, who could be out there making the world work, ensuring the vulnerable have what they need, keeping the economy going to ensure a steady supply of funding the NHS, education and everything else that's necessary to keep people healthy and functioning, are pointlessly stuck at home, wasting months and months while things fall apart. Further still, not solving a problem, just creating many many more.

Lockdown is cowardly, clumsy, destructive and ineffective. It should never be a go-to option. And yet, here are so many governments, stuck going back and forth on the same 'solution' despite the havoc it's wreaking. It's unbelievable really - incredibly shortsighted and just plain stupid.

We will all look back on this time and say 'what the fuck were we thinking?' With a bit of perspective there will be very few people who look back and think 'that was the right choice.'

It is a bad choice. There is no other way to colour it. For middle-class and wealthy people, it's a struggle. For poor people it's potentially a death sentence. But hey, it 'saves lives' - as in, it saves the lives the powerful people care about - and fuck everyone else eh?

Mischance · 02/12/2020 13:40

It was heart-breaking. This sort of poverty and deprivation has always been present, but governments do not take it seriously - Sure Start and family centres were axed - just the sort of provision that is designed to break this cycle. It is very sad and deeply exasperating.

It would be good if the food banks were also able to hand out masks.

MercyBooth · 02/12/2020 16:07

@TheDailyCarbuncle Im hoping this catches on

www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18911917.mark-drakeford-wales-first-minister-barred-every-pub-west-conwy/?ref=twtrec

TheDailyCarbuncle · 02/12/2020 16:17

There's an element of humour to that of course @MercyBooth but tbh I find it unbelievable that so many people have accepted and even welcomed the idea that drinking with a friend is against the law. The rules in Wales are particularly heinous - 'allowing' pubs to open but essentially cutting them off at the knees by not allowing them to sell their main product. It's like saying 'butchers can open but meat is banned.' Of course, they can then claim that those businesses are functioning and therefore don't require support, meaning that more people are pushed further and further towards ruin.

It's fucking ridiculous.

MercyBooth · 02/12/2020 16:20

Agree. Cunts. Maybe every hairdresser, barbers, etc should start barring MPs that keep voting for their ruin,

Sobeyondthehills · 02/12/2020 16:28

@WineAndHobnobs

Welcome, its going to get more difficult with people who are now losing their jobs, with the rent cap and the child cap.

Thousands of people are going to be plunged into poverty from this, despite the fact people have been saying that benefits are not enough to live on.

Added to this, throughout all the lockdowns the DWP have still be doing assessments on disability benefits such as ESA and PIP, which I know for a fact affect people's mental health

HesterShaw1 · 02/12/2020 17:32

Lockdown is cowardly, clumsy, destructive and ineffective. It should never be a go-to option.

Agree so much with this. You can't just shut a society down and expect it to be able to continue functioning somehow.

alreadytaken · 02/12/2020 17:46

Anti-lockdown people out in force - apparently. What they are carefully not saying is that they know full well that you cant protect the vulnerable. They dont want to - they want to see all the 80+ die and quietly die without medical care. If they achieved that they would then start on those really hungry people in Burnley because they dont give a shit about anyone with mental health problems or unable to work for other health reasons, they'd really like to see the back of them next. After that it will be those people who have lost their jobs in the pandemic, because if they've lost their job their work isnt essential.

And lets complain about the people able to sit at home - the ones not contributing to the pandemic - especially if they try to keep others in work by having things brought to them. What a terrible thing to do, trying to keep the economy running and not add to the people in hospital.

Then lets moan about donating to food banks, because they really dont want anyone trying to keep alive anyone that costs money.

Ignore them, dont be fooled by right wing people pretending to care. They are lying stories. Try to persuade the Labour Party back to being electable, donate to your food bank not just food but soap powder, washing up liquid, toilet rolls and soap. Do a reverse advent calendar - an item each day in December that you deliver to your food bank either before Christmas or soon after. Most get a lot in December, very little in January.

If you are involved with any groups feeding the poor check if thy know about this www.aldi.co.uk/about-aldi/corporate-responsibilities/communities/food-donations Other supermarkets will also donate to e.g. the olio ap. Donate any spare food you have, dont throw it out.

There may be a community fridge somewhere in your area or a food hub or community kitchen e.g. www.burnleyfccommunity.org/facilities/burnley-community-kitchen/

If these lying stories actually gave a toss they would not be ranting, they would direct you to things you can do to help.

MercyBooth · 02/12/2020 17:50

Right wing? I was one of the original Frothers in 2011.

Pomegranatespompom · 02/12/2020 17:54

@alreadytaken thank you so much for your post and the links.
You’re right, the ranting was awful, not helpful to try and alienate people who want to help. Horrible to dissuade donations which can help people now. I’ll make sure I donate more in January as well.

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Mumof3andlovingit · 02/12/2020 18:13

Someone explain to me why lockdown doesn’t work? I know it gives rise to other issues such as job losses etc etc however hasn’t lockdown achieved what it was meant to achieve and that is to lower case numbers? I know it worked the first time and bought cases right down and even this second time it appears to have helped.
What else could have been done to lower cases and deaths from covid? I’m confused I genuinely don’t get it when people say it’s not the right think to do during a pandemic that’s killed so many and caused long term issues in so many healthy people too.
What am I missing? Is there another solution?? I don’t enjoy lockdown or anything that prevents us from getting on with our lives like normal, but I don’t get what our other options are. Surely without lockdown we would see a lot more deaths and a lot more ill people and not to mention chaos in hospitals.

worriedaboutmyboytoday · 02/12/2020 18:25

I was wondering that Mumof3andlovingit.

Would have letting covid run rampage reduced the suffering of the people in the film? Would their mental health be better? Would they suddenly not have been in poverty?

It's not as though the UK went out on a limb with lockdown - over half the world's population have been subjected to some sort of lockdown measures this year.