It's best for children to be in school

[Billie18]

I'm shocked that the consensus here appears to be that schools should close. I believe that it's best for children to be in school. Also that they should not be forced to wear masks or perform any social distancing as this is a damaging for their mental and social development. A thread for parents and teachers who share this view and have concerns about the threat of school closures and forced isolation of children who are not ill.

TaxTheRatFarms Again, can you point out where I lied?

Are there any petitions to say school staff should be provided with medical grade masks to teach in? I really do not understand the rationale it is not allowed! I do think teachers should be protected

Well, it would seem that when you said that teachers were posting links to petitions to close schools down would be one example of you lying NickNacky.

christinarossetti19 Why would I lie? Seriously, this is words on a page.

@Nicknacky

christinarossetti19 You might want to read my post again...I never said the petitions were started by teachers. They were links contained within threads to which I’m unable to link to as I avoided them. I hope that helps.

Neither did Christina

Oh dear lord... 😂

TaxTheRatFarms I’m still waiting for my lies to be exposed?

No luck finding any, huh?

Because you wanted some 'proof' to back up your fictitious point that teachers are campaigning for schools to be closed and didn't have any, so made some up?

I don't know. Maybe you're not lying, but in the absence of anyone being able to find those posts by teachers linking to petitions to close schools down, it's a struggle to come to any other conclusion.

Nick it’s all in my posts already.

Noble There’s you and your stealth, while I’m out every night with my school issued gluestick gluing up the doors of every school in the county, in a desperate effort to get a day or two off school. Are you even making any effort here??

christinarossetti19 That poster has called me a liar in reference to my children and I would like her to back that claim up.

I can wade through 9 months of relentless school threads to find the posts but that will take a while!

TaxTheRatFarms Ah, I though as much. Couldn’t prove your allegation but don’t want to back down Got it.

So were you being honest when you told her you 6 year old said their corridors weren’t like that?

If you’re not happy that I called you a liar, report my posts. Don’t follow me around the board asking me to answer a question I’ve already answered.

TaxTheRatFarms Did I say that? Look again at my posts and tell me where I said that.

Go on. And tell me where I said that. You can’t. That makes YOU the liar, not me.

Nick I apologize if I’ve been overly confrontational.

As an olive branch, I’ve got a really accessible PowerPoint on context and inference I could send you?

TaxTheRatFarm Is that an apology for calling me a liar?

I agree that the best place for children to be is in school but if lots of schools are in the same state as ds school with over 50% of staff & pupils off either isolating or testing positive I can't see how long keeping schools open will be viable. Today in ds sixth form classes there were only 5/21, 12/27 & 9/25 pupils present & 1/3 subject teachers there, plus 4/10 tutor group teachers in & the whole of 6th form SLT off sick or isolating.

Cases falling in every age group except secondary age children. It's likely that these will once again drive community transmission and make lockdown relatively pointless.

So pleased to see this still going.

“Teachers want to close schools!”
“No we don’t, we want schools to be safe!”
“ Teachers want to damage our children’s mental health by making them wear masks!”
“No, we want to protect your children’s health by mitigating risk.”
“Teaching unions want to close schools so lazy teachers can stay at home doing their Christmas shopping at home on FULL PAY!”
“No, teaching unions, though fairly useless and lacking in influence, want teaching staff and children to be safe.”
“I’m oblivious to risk and am quite prepared to mix with hundreds of non-mask wearing teenagers in limited spaces in the middle of a pandemic when said teens can be asymptomatic carriers!”
“You’re bonkers.”
“Teachers want to close schools!”
“No, we don’t...”

Etc etc ad infinitum

Think that just about sums it all up, @borntobequiet!

YES schools should stay open AND children should not be forced to wear masks or perform any social distancing

Do you teach your children that the universe revolves around them or that they are part of a wider community where collective responsibility is important? I am about to leave for work. In the last 3 weeks, 2 school staff have died within 3 miles of me. Another 2 are in intensive care within that same distance. I am over 50 and a type 1 diabetic. Children in my classes understand that when I ask them to wear a mask it is because if I contract covid, I will more likely than most to struggle. They don’t complain because they have been brought up decently and understand there is a bigger picture. They keep their distance from me and me from them and that’s OK.

I wonder when you talk about rights, you think of all those children out there, like mine, scared stiff something will happen to their mum. Their right to not lose a parent unnecessarily, my income, for them not to have to care for me etc etc. Or is it that my children don’t matter? What of my neighbour, who works in hospitality, who is going to lose her home - what about her children? Because if we did everything, absolutely everything, we could to stop this disease spreading, less children would grow up in poverty, fewer will grow up in poverty, without a parent in work.

Or what of my 12 year old, also a type 1 diabetic who’s only option is to keep attending school with no migigating measures and no one whatsoever thinking about how it might feel for him? We had a fight for him to be allowed to wear a bloody mask. Or should he be kept at home, or allowed to mix with his peers, at risk of no education. What doesn’t he matter?

I'm sick of entitled fuckers expecting me to needlessly place me and my family at risk for some imagined benefit to their own children.

I’m a trained interviewer

Ah - I think this explains it. Like politicians are trained to say a lot that can never be pinned down legally, but in normal usage mean something.
Like the message on that bus.
No point in arguing with someone who uses weasel words.

@borntobequiet

So pleased to see this still going.

“Teachers want to close schools!”
“No we don’t, we want schools to be safe!”
“ Teachers want to damage our children’s mental health by making them wear masks!”
“No, we want to protect your children’s health by mitigating risk.”
“Teaching unions want to close schools so lazy teachers can stay at home doing their Christmas shopping at home on FULL PAY!”
“No, teaching unions, though fairly useless and lacking in influence, want teaching staff and children to be safe.”
“I’m oblivious to risk and am quite prepared to mix with hundreds of non-mask wearing teenagers in limited spaces in the middle of a pandemic when said teens can be asymptomatic carriers!”
“You’re bonkers.”
“Teachers want to close schools!”
“No, we don’t...”

Etc etc ad infinitum

Yup. Such a useful way to spend the time. No point engaging IMHO

My guess would be that those teachers who are in school will tend to be assigned to exam years, while other classes will predominantly have supply teachers. So if e.g. 3 out of 5 History teachers are off, the 2 remaining will teach GCSE A / A-level classes if possible, and the other classes will have supply. So some classes may only have e.g. 25-50% of their classes with supply, others may have 90%.

Our school has 1 history teacher; 1 geography teacher; 2 DT teachers (one food and textiles; the other product and engineering); 1 Art teacher; 2 IT teachers etc.
Our classes are huge due to lack of staff and departments have been obliterated by redundancies that have been made over the last 3 years.
If even a handful of our staff go off, many many exam classes will be taught by cover staff. Well, that’s exactly what is currently happening now.

@TaxTheRatFarms

Nick I apologize if I’ve been overly confrontational.

As an olive branch, I’ve got a really accessible PowerPoint on context and inference I could send you?

I love it when thing fly past other's head, but they are so obvious :) Love doing it, and love watching it...

y guess would be that those teachers who are in school will tend to be assigned to exam years, while other classes will predominantly have supply teachers. So if e.g. 3 out of 5 History teachers are off, the 2 remaining will teach GCSE A / A-level classes if possible, and the other classes will have supply. So some classes may only have e.g. 25-50% of their classes with supply, others may have 90%.

We are doing this. I swapped my day off last week to come in on a day of year 11 and a level rather than some KS3.

I was even taken away from KS3 in my subject to teach year 11 in a totally different subject- I’m humanities and got moved to Science, because our kids play up majorly for supply teachers!