Can you eat at a restaurant in another tier?

[Davespecifico]

I can’t find an answer to this online. If for example, you live in a tier 3 area, could you eat out in a tier 2 area.
I know travel from tier to tier unless travelling through, is strongly discouraged, but from what I’ve read, not banned entirely. So, is eating out in another tier discouraged or banned?

I've just had this conversation. I live on the border in a tier 3, but am 5 minutes walk to a tier 2. All my exercise is done in the tier 2.

It's not like I'd have to travel, 10 minutes walk to the nearest tier 2 pub that serves food. Places might ask for bookings and you to confirm your address when booking though?

No doubt the tier 2 areas will return the favour when they become tier 3.....

I’m in the West Mids (Tier 3) and two colleagues were yesterday making restaurant bookings each weekend in London from next weekend and all throughout Christmas to the New Year. I won’t be travelling anywhere but eating out isn’t a priority for me. I’m sure my colleagues aren’t an exception though and they can’t see anything wrong with what they are doing.

sleepwouldbenice
That's right. Well done. You're still not special

What are you talking about?
Who said anything about wanting special treatment?
I keep away from everyone at break times but my filthy tier 3 germs are still infesting this tier 2 area.
Rules should be the same for every area.
My point is, people travel between tiers constantly for a million and one reasons.

motherunner
This is the problem with tiers. It doesn’t work. People just move between them.
Can’t go out in Gtr Manchester? They will go out in Cheshire etc...
Everywhere should be the same.

@AdventureIsWaiting same here, our rate isn't even high, it's just near a city that is! We will be eating out 5 miles down the road. Using arbitrary county lines is plain stupid

@Sweettea1

No your higher risk don't go putting lower tiers at risk 🤔 don't get whats so hard to understand about that if we could do that then we might aswell not have tiers.

The thing is though - just because you live in a Tier 3 area doesn't mean that you personally are a high risk . My area is Tier 3 but I WFH and have shopping delivered . I only live with DH and he's currently not working .

All the pubs and restaurants we would normally frequent are in a Tier 2 area about 10 mins drive away and recently we have only been visiting during the afternoon when it's quiet . I really don't see that it would be so wrong to continue to do this .

@Hellohah

I've just had this conversation. I live on the border in a tier 3, but am 5 minutes walk to a tier 2. All my exercise is done in the tier 2.

It's not like I'd have to travel, 10 minutes walk to the nearest tier 2 pub that serves food. Places might ask for bookings and you to confirm your address when booking though?

In the previous tiered system they mostly didn’t though some refused a table if you were blatantly not from the same household. Any restaurant which is open will be desperate for the income frankly. Especially if they know that the covid-secure measures they are taking make them safe.

I totally accept that is it a slightly awkward situation for places “just over the border” though. But when the government lumps in low risk areas with higher risk areas what do they expect. If my area was genuinely high risk I wouldn’t do this. But it’s not.

@WanderingMilly how have your work managed to book a Christmas meal? Are there less than 6 people there ? Ans unless you're in Cornwall are they eating it outdoors?

As Whitty said last night "just because you can doesn't mean you should"

I thought the tiered ruling followed the person, so there would be nothing physically stopping you and your family driving to a tier 2 for a meal, but you would be breaking guidance (maybe law, I'm so confused what is and isn't) to do that?

@Ginogineli

You can’t but people will

I’ve alteady booked 3 nights out with friends - outdoor rule of 6 eating in tier 2 and we all live tier 3. But I work in tier 2 so 🤷‍♀️

So... your happy to increase the risk of spreading corona virus. This kind of behaviour which is leading to increased number of cases and deaths.

It’s not a difficult concept. Travelling around and mixing with other people carries a risk to society. If you’re doing that in order to work teaching children or emptying bins or to support vulnerable relatives then that risk is justified it. If you’re doing it because you fancy a meal out then on a societal level it’s not. And the fact that you do some risky activities for justified reasons doesn’t give you free rein to do additional risky activities in all circumstances. Lifeboat crew and Air Sea Rescue helicopter pilots still have to wear seatbelts when they’re out and about.

It’s just so frustrating for people who are following the rules since March and we are still
In tier 3.
So basically loads of other people having a jolly means those following the guidelines are the ones suffering.

So yes I would be tempted to go from
Bristol to Bath for a lovely dinner out but I won’t.

Common sense says no. If loads of people from a Tier 3 location go to Tier 2 and 1 locations, it won't be long before they are also up to Tier 3. Are you really that desperate to eat out??

@LondonlovesLola

sleepwouldbenice That's right. Well done. You're still not special

What are you talking about?
Who said anything about wanting special treatment?
I keep away from everyone at break times but my filthy tier 3 germs are still infesting this tier 2 area.
Rules should be the same for every area.
My point is, people travel between tiers constantly for a million and one reasons.

You are not the only person who has a job with other people that you might infect. Or they might infect you. But you are being asked to reduce any additional contact by not socialising outside of your tier Your job doesn't make you an exception. You are not that important

@kateybeth79

Common sense says no. If loads of people from a Tier 3 location go to Tier 2 and 1 locations, it won't be long before they are also up to Tier 3. Are you really that desperate to eat out??

Yep it seems really that selfish

@LearnedResponse

It’s not a difficult concept. Travelling around and mixing with other people carries a risk to society. If you’re doing that in order to work teaching children or emptying bins or to support vulnerable relatives then that risk is justified it. If you’re doing it because you fancy a meal out then on a societal level it’s not. And the fact that you do some risky activities for justified reasons doesn’t give you free rein to do additional risky activities in all circumstances. Lifeboat crew and Air Sea Rescue helicopter pilots still have to wear seatbelts when they’re out and about.

Exactly. I mean its not as though other oeople aren't making sacrifices is it?

Sorry but I literally sleep in a T3 and do everything else (shopping, work, kids' school, kids' clubs, exercise) in a T2, since we are bang on the border. The only T3 place I possibly go to is the village shop and the rate in the village itself is lower than the T2 area. So I really don't believe I'm risking anyone if I decided to have a meal with my children after work in the T2 area. It would be more risky if I went deeper into the T3 area than to do what I plan to do. Sometimes you have to use common sense.

@bathsh3ba

Sorry but I literally sleep in a T3 and do everything else (shopping, work, kids' school, kids' clubs, exercise) in a T2, since we are bang on the border. The only T3 place I possibly go to is the village shop and the rate in the village itself is lower than the T2 area. So I really don't believe I'm risking anyone if I decided to have a meal with my children after work in the T2 area. It would be more risky if I went deeper into the T3 area than to do what I plan to do. Sometimes you have to use common sense.

You don't have an option to go for a meal out in tier 3 therefore it's obvious the risk is higher Minimising contact and frequency of contact is what reduces the virus

If loads of people from a Tier 3 location go to Tier 2 and 1 locations, it won't be long before they are also up to Tier 3.

No, those statements don't automatically follow. The restrictions are mainly at county level, and rates and individual risk factors vary dramatically in those areas, often with many districts below the national average. So a home worker from one of those districts presents far less risk than a community based worker in a lower tier.

Tiers don't mean anything when you apply them to individuals. They're an extremely blunt tool applied to a complex problem.

Minimising contact and frequency of contact is what reduces the virus

That applies to everyone, irrespective of tier. Location of contact is not the issue, frequency and duration is.

@bathsh3ba

Sorry but I literally sleep in a T3 and do everything else (shopping, work, kids' school, kids' clubs, exercise) in a T2, since we are bang on the border. The only T3 place I possibly go to is the village shop and the rate in the village itself is lower than the T2 area. So I really don't believe I'm risking anyone if I decided to have a meal with my children after work in the T2 area. It would be more risky if I went deeper into the T3 area than to do what I plan to do. Sometimes you have to use common sense.

‘Literally sleep in a T3’. So you live in a tier 3 It’s not up to you to decide what’s ‘safer’ just follow the rules and stop making it harder for everyone else.

No @100percentpeachynessa, I 'f*cking' won't because the rules make no sense and the government has gone too far and completely lost my trust. Enough is enough. The virus doesn't come screeching to a halt at the border, the line is arbitrary. Where I live is lower cases than T2 area nearby and if I had to go to hospital I would be sent to the T2 area not the T3 hospital. It's all utterly stupid and nonsensical.