Sat crying. This isn’t ending or getting better

[Napqueen1234]

So sick of this. Back into tier 3. We have followed all the rules. No one in the house since March. I can’t do this all winter. I have two small children and I’m going insane with no family help. People say it’s going to get better but it isn’t. Or it’s months and months away. I can’t stop crying I just want to see my family.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

You çan see people outdoors in tier three as long as not more than six in total meeting so you can still see family and friends.

Lots don’t have family help in normal times so have to rely on their partners if they need a break etc.

Seriously?! That's your response? "Lots don't have family help". Wow. Aren't you just full of compassion?

What if your family lives 200 miles away like ours does? Can't really pop round for a walk round the park, can they? Especially when non-essential travel is discouraged in higher tiers. Not everyone lives close to their family and not everyone has a partner, or has a partner who can or will help out. Check your privilege.

[quote Napqueen1234]@onedayinthefuture I feel like so many people will because whats the point. Follow the rules do what they say but still nothing improves. I am not responsible for the rising numbers but we are all suffering hugely with the restrictions. Our local businesses will just shut. Whats the point in any of it any more.[/quote]
I know it's tough, but things will get better! The numbers have come down with the national lockdown.

The vaccine isn't too far away & right on its heals is spring/summer & life WILL be much better xx

I hate the war comparisons. In the war I would be able to have Christmas Day with my mum. I would be able to hug my mum. My DD wouldn’t be potentially toxic to her doting great grandparents so then would be able to see her I’m sure people moaned plenty about the war. It just wasn’t logged on MN.

@amicissimma

Please, if you value the NHS, don't vote Tory!

Minimal improvement between 1997 and 2010, but a lot more debt (PFI).

Don't vote Labour either.

Who then?

You are right about the PFI but wrong about the minimal improvements - trouble is all the improvements (waiting list times, times for appointments, wait times in A&E, staffing levels, improvements in practice etc.) achieved during Labour government were unpicked by the subsequent Tory governments rather than built upon.

I'm disabled and live alone
I have 3 DS's it's just dawned on me that I will not be able to see DS2 and DS3 until sometime next year DS1 lives fairly near and is my unofficial " carer"
We" ll have to FaceTime until then and I'm thankful we're all safe Just feel sad and empty today

I am so sick of all of it. Just feels like the world has changed beyond recognition and will never return to normal. The memory of just going out for something to eat / to a museum / shop / whatever else and not wearing a mask or thinking about social distancing feels like another dimension.

I am in the clinically vulnerable group and I just don’t know what to think anymore. Originally I was terrified of the virus but as it’s gone on I’m not so sure anymore. It’s a horrible nasty virus but it does seem that for the vast majority of people, even those with some health conditions, it is a virus that people recover from. What on Earth are we doing to our economy living like this? And peoples mental health? Just shot to pieces.

I can’t see a medical person in person when I need to. I can’t get a dental appointment. My health is suffering because of my health issues but not because of Covid just because the NHS isn’t able to function properly. And of course I recognise that if it becomes overwhelmed with Covid it won’t function at all and that is horrifying.

It feels like the end of the world as we know it.

I really hope the vaccines can save the day. That’s all we can cling on to now.

Comments about the war are really unhelpful.
People could get help from extended family who often lived locally or neighbours without breaking the law.
Isn't this is a time when medical staff did home visits? (Or is that a movie/tv trope)

@HarryLimeFoxtrot

The “you can still see your family and go for a socially distanced walk” brigade are really starting to annoy me. Do they really think we haven’t considered this? Can they not understand the logistic impossibility for some of us? Because it’s a bit bloody difficult when we work FT, live 200 miles apart and are all in tier 3. And we’re working/on-call over Christmas too, so the easing of restrictions for 5 days doesn’t help.

They are irritating the fuck out of me too and I feel like they have their heads stuck seriously far up their arses.

I am in a tier 2 area. I got made redundant earlier this year, so I am not currently working, but DH is.

My parents are in their mid eighties with various health issues including COPD and greatly compromised mobility. They are virtually housebound and struggle to even get out of their door. It is cold, dark very early now, they are in a tier 3 area and a three hour drive from me.

How the fuck am I supposed to go for any sort of a walk, socially distanced or not, with two elderly and vulnerable people who can hardly walk at all, struggle to breathe properly and would suffer badly when out in the cold unnecessarily?

I'm with OP. This is totally shit.

@TeddyIsaHe

It’s total bullshit tbh. Tier 2, even though we’ve had one of the lowest amount of cases the whole way through the pandemic.

Just utterly, utterly sick of all this now. And I hate this govt.

It's not bullshit. It's maths.

You need to look at how your hospitals are coping, your positivity rate etc, not just x per 100,000

It's crap, but we just need to hold tight, stay home & look forward to vaccines & spring/summer.

We CAN do this

Lockdown will end!

Actually, no, the only thing that will change for virtually all the country is that you can go to a few more shops, and the gym. Oh, and get a haircut before Christmas.

I mean, I'm really glad for all the businesses and employees who will be able to work and earn again, but that doesn't make me feel better. It's like another lockdown by stealth.

Mostly dreading the phone call later with my Mum, who is slipping deeper and deeper into depression as this goes on (not helped by getting all her news from the Mail ) and saying that she still can't see her grandchildren until Christmas.

@Hardbackwriter

What the hell are you going on about?! Really, really unhelpful. I wish people would stop harping on about WW2. Bloody hell, it's 2020 not 1942.

Harping on about other people's experience of WWII. I'm not prepared to listen to accounts of how resilient everyone was and how no one ever moaned or broke the rules during the war from anyone who wasn't an adult during it. Even if they were, the historical evidence clearly shows it's rose-tinted spectacles, but I'm prepared to accept that from a 93 year old... But people trying to shame people by going on about something that they didn't actually experience themselves is ridiculous.

Yes, exactly.

Also, more people have now died of covid than were killed during the Blitz. And so many people who are sick and dying are having to do so completely alone, people are having to mourn alone. Of course people are struggling.

@Vanillaradio

With you. We've followed the rules since March, still managed to catch covid in July (dh got it at work which was unavoidable) and now we've gone from tier 3 to tier 2 which seems little different from lockdown, no Christmas activities that we can do with ds at all, following the rules has made things no better.

Honestly, I understand you're fed up, but saying following the rules has made no difference is ridiculous.

If people hadn't followed the rules we'd be seeing thousands of deaths daily.

I'm sick of going for walks. I love it and would choose a nice hike instead of doing something indoors any day. But it's not the only way I like to socialise with people. And some of my friends don't like walks (or the outside, they've always been indoor kids) but this is pretty much the only way I can see them.

Every other country in the world has defeated it.

They certainly have not! Take a look at Worldometer. You'll be shocked.

I read with dismay how your dentists aren’t functioning properly. In Ireland (complete L5 total lockdown, we can’t even go more than 5km from our house all month) our dentists are the same as ever. You need dentists!

I don't agree with loosening of restrictions at Xmas.
I don't agree constantly penalising hospitality when they were less than 5% spread and I felt safer in pubs and restaurants than I do in supermarket.

This - as 3asaBird and others have said - throwing away our gains for the chance to share a plate of sprouts with extended family is STUPID!

And so is destroying the hospitality industry, in which so many people work, and on which so many depend.

It isn't just waitstaff and bar staff affected; it's the breweries and everyone who works in them; the transport and haulage companies and the garages that keep their vehicles on the road; the food manufacturers - many of them small businesses - who supply the pubs and clubs; even the bigger ones eg crisp and biscuit manufacturers; and all of the the other organisations who make, maintain and upgrade the machinery involved.

The knock-on effects of these are going to be enormous.

Comments about the war are really unhelpful. It's totally different isn't it. I'm sure my granny who had a husband and two sons who all joined up the minute they could had a hard time at home with the younger children, not to mention the late baby conceived when granddad was on leave. My dad probably wasn't having a great time either as a teenager on the frontline. On the otherhand my mother had a great time, well paid job in a factory after earning peanuts in domestic service, not to mention a glamorous GI boyfriend. Not everyone had the same war.

Isn't this is a time when medical staff did home visits? (Or is that a movie/tv trope) I'm not sure how it worked, it was pre NHS so I assume a doctor would visit if you could pay him but I'm sure someone will know how it worked.

I would like to say someone playing a great joke on hospitality. Only it's not fucking funny.

You need dentists! I'm in Devon and I've seen my dentist and hygienist and have another appointment booked with them for early February. I was only having a check up so not sure how it works for treatment, the hygienist couldn't polish my teeth so gave me the polish to take home.

@Jrobhatch29

My granny died this year - during lockdown.... not of Covid (so I suppose it’s not as tragic, eh??) And spent the last few months of her life getting absolutely no fucking conversation or stimulation from anyone or anything thanks to this fucking lockdown. What a way for a person to spend the remaining months of their life.*

Exactly the same for me. My nanna died last month, just of old age. She had probably just had enough of the loneliness and shut her eyes and went to sleep! I am wracked with guilt that her last months were so isolated.

This is just so unbearably sad, what a legacy, eh? Losing somebody you love and knowing that they were isolated and alone... and some self-serving blowhards spouting "Don't kill Granny!" as if it's the new wisdom.

We won't have any idea of the true costs of this for some time but they'll keep mounting up. I'm so sorry for everybody who has lost somebody they love - for any reason - Covid isn't a top trump card that surpasses everything else.

hospitatlity have really been stung again-all shops open in tier 3 except resturants and pubs its ridiculous

@Xenia

It is the biggest breach of our collective human rights in the UK ever.

It is. It is shocking that we are letting this happen.

@onedayinthefuture

See your family, I am. Chances are you'll see them and none of you will even have Covid at that point in time.

Unfortunately with your selfish attitude it’s going to be a long time before things return to normal. But you crack on, as long as you’re alright eh🤨

I’m starting to lose it on mumsnet, I really am. On another thread I have just called out a poster because she has said that an 83 year old woman going to the shops is “selfish” and she should let her family do her online shopping for her.

What have we become when that makes someone selfish.

And these same posters ignore the mental health aspects that are becoming more and more apparent, like posters on this thread. We shouldn’t be ignoring that for the greater good of covid.

I’m feeling down and I’m “lucky. I’ve just been In town to collect something and it’s empty and shut 4 weeks before Christmas.

I'm not prepared to listen to accounts of how resilient everyone was and how no one ever moaned or broke the rules during the war from anyone who wasn't an adult during it. Even if they were, the historical evidence clearly shows it's rose-tinted spectacles, but I'm prepared to accept that from a 93 year old

I'm not 93 but well remember stories from family members when I was growing up in the 50s.

I remember stories of the black market, all the affairs that were going on and the babies who had to be adopted before the husband got back, I believe STD's were running riot and crime was high in the black out. Obviously also remember some more positive stuff, like my mother liking earning more money.