Sat crying. This isn’t ending or getting better

[Napqueen1234]

So sick of this. Back into tier 3. We have followed all the rules. No one in the house since March. I can’t do this all winter. I have two small children and I’m going insane with no family help. People say it’s going to get better but it isn’t. Or it’s months and months away. I can’t stop crying I just want to see my family.

I’ve had so many walks that if the dog sees me putting a hat on she runs and hides.

@Mutterthebutter my family live abroad too. I said the same thing in May. My 2 year old now thinks my parents are a tv programme as she has spent 1/3 of her life watching them on portal calls. They havent met my second daughter. It's been so long that I told them I was pregnant over a zoom call. I have grown and birthed a human being in the time since I have last seen them. Just happily waiting and saying I will see them soon is easier said than done.

The “you can still see your family and go for a socially distanced walk” brigade are really starting to annoy me. Do they really think we haven’t considered this? Can they not understand the logistic impossibility for some of us? Because it’s a bit bloody difficult when we work FT, live 200 miles apart and are all in tier 3. And we’re working/on-call over Christmas too, so the easing of restrictions for 5 days doesn’t help

Exactly this.
Also, I have three young children. Thankfully 2 at school, but the 2 year old has done nothing but ‘go for a walk’ every day for nearly half his life. Forgive me if we’re not fucking whooping up and down with joy at the thought of another one.

Sorry. That was to @Heyahun, not @MuttertheButter

It’s so pointless as well, just kicking the can further down the road

Are we to be under authoritarian rule until the virus no longer exists (ie forever)

It’s madness

We “saved” the nhs, we flattened the curve and now we’re doing that again, and then again later, and one more time after that, and then again ... Save the NHS, throw mental health, all non-Covid patients, all workers in hospitality and travel under the bus

There is no lockdown exit strategy. The measures are disproportionate. It’s bonkers.

It is utter shit

@PatriciaPerch

this is just so they can all say see you next Tuesday at the end of their meetings

😂 They sure are a big hunch of C.U.N.T.s - that's for sure.

@festivebug

We just had an extremely strict lockdown here in Victoria, Australia. It recently ended and we have been down to 0 cases for weeks now. Australia's state boarders are starting to open up, soon we will be open to NZ as well. I promise there is light at the end of the tunnel.❤️

In Europe it is very different. Lockdowns don't go to zero cases, and borders are basically still open.

Meanwhile, we have half measures, with the occasional stricter measures for a few weeks.

I haven't RTFT but just want to say that I currently get depressed whenever I've been expecting this thing to get better & it officially doesn't, & I'm surprised at myself because most of the time I just get on with things. So a big hug from me.

Small things can help to vary the monotony, like trying a new recipe or ordering in new supplies for a hobby.

We also were hopeful for a vaccine in August/Sept, which obviously is going to be a few months delayed now too.

Yeah... that was never going to happen. Not sure where you got that idea from.
Also consider that we will be lucky if we have a vaccine available for vulnerable people and essential personnel by January-February. It will take some time to cover most of the population.

@Dustballs

I"m just pissed off because I think none of this rule changing makes a jot of difference.

I bet Boris is laughing now at us trying to decipher the latest changes.

What a load of bollocks the whole thing is.

Basically Boris promised to end Lockdown on 2nd December and couldn't be seen to break that promise, as he's broken so many others. So they've continued the lockdown in the guise of new tiers.

That's it folks. Nothing more to see here. You can move on.

Exactly this. I am so sick of this control now.

They have never cared about the number of deaths, it has always their priority been that the NHS is not seen to crumble under the pressure and from there have voters aportion political blame.

National Lockdown by another name. None of it is working, look at Leicester.

So absolutely fed up.

It would be nice if they released the reasoning/data for each area to explain the tiers. Make the whole thing more transparent.

My attitude has been to expect the unexpected. No plans. Any good news are a bonus.

Seriously only expecting any semblance or normality towards June-July.

Note: biologist, working on biomedical sciences.

@TragedyHands sadly my parents live 4 hours away so we can’t meet outside. So they are indeed just missing their grandchildren growing up. My child has not long turned one. This has been her whole life. She doesn’t have a proper relationship with any of our family and friends. It kills me. Another 5 months or so isn’t long in the grand scheme of things but it’s 5 more months of her getting older and changing and nobody getting to see her or love her or bond with her.

I am sad about this. I live on my own, I work from home so I literally do not see anyone. I also am immuno-compromised.

Regarding "If you are vunerable to respiratory viruses then I can see why you wouldn't want to socialise. But if you are 17 then the benefits of being able to socialise and live your life massively outweigh any risks"

The thing is we are in this together. If someone who is 17 goes out to multiple places and then comes back to e.g. a home or apartment block, then is mixing with that family, another family - that is exactly how it spread.

Regarding Kent being in tier 3 because of some conspiracy, it's in Tier 3 because Swale and other areas of Kent have some of the highest rates in the country and the highest increase as well. Just look up the stats.

Yes it is horrible and yes it is very difficult for some people.

But what I find the most disturbing is that we have done this lockdown for a month, rates have massively dropped:

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

And the thing I find the most disturbing is that over Christmas, which is essentially one day, I suspect instead of it being over, the peak being November and then everything improving, we will see a third wave in January that is bigger than anything we have ever experienced before.

I used to work in research and back in Feb I predicted the peak would be November due to several factors.

I now think it won't be - simply due to this utterly stupid Christmas ruling which essentially is unlimited numbers - no limit on size.

I don't think it's fair for people who desperately want to go back to a better life in January and February.

I honestly think we will be paying for it for two months.

Just why?

We could have had a Christmas just in smaller groups. I would have sacrificed that for a better chance in January and February. There are only a few months left of this now with the vaccine and it seems utterly crazy to do this.

I am truly fed up and annoyed.
I feel Bristol area rate so high because of the 2 large universities and shambolic chaotic return to school going back.
Nearly every local secondary school had cases.

We followed the rules the 1st lockdown husband had 7 weeks furlough and I worked temp supermarket job mostly getting shouted at whilst juggling 3 school age kids and coping with restrictions on how many items can buy.
Seen family on Wales once since pandemics began.
Won't be seeing them this Christmas.
Since schools returned dd2 been constantly ill.
Dd1 multiple cases at senior school yet only sending home close contacts since half term.

2nd lockdown been harder husband been working low pay no furlough 50% cut due to commission and non essential shutting.
Concerned won't make much when open and when sales start they probably announce lockdown 3.

I don't agree with loosening of restrictions at Xmas.
I don't agree constantly penalising hospitality when they were less than 5% spread and I felt safer in pubs and restaurants than I do in supermarket.
My toddler is so bored. Siblings in school. Toddler dance class cancelled.
No toddler groups and delayed Preschool as couldn't cope with a 4th bubble/educational setting.
Dd2 has self isolated 14days due to positive in her class no symptoms family were doing test study.

I miss my 4 close friends and would love meet up with them 2 in my area tier 3 and 1 in London tier 2.

Every day like groundhog day i cook, clean and walk dog..
Or i food shop and meal plan so we have constant rolling 14days meals.
Started Xmas shopping as not started and home bargains was manic.
Shops are not controlling how many people allowed in like the 1st lockdown they more dangerous than pubs and restaurants.

Why can't schools go blended in tier 3 our rates have risen since Sept.
We had massive uni outbreaks.

Keep going, OP. You will get through the other side

@shinynewapple2020

I know tier 3 restrictions say you can't meet people in your home or your garden . But logically . Meeting in a garden is no different to meeting in a park. Some kind of outdoor heater . Blankets , hot water bottles . Get people to being a flask . Get together for around an hour so toilet isn't an issue .

Might not be strictly in the rules but as a risk assessment it seems safe Particularly if it stops people becoming fed up enough to meet indoors .

It is massively different with a toddler. On a garden she is in a confined space and I can take my eyes off her - maybe even sit down--for a minute or so and focus on actually talking to someone. I know she's safe.

In a park I either have to strap her into her buggy (whereupon she screams and I can't hear anyone else) or else I literally cannot take my eyes off her and she is constantly bolting on any random direction. It is impossible to talk to anyone else with that situation. I can talk inside a children's play area as that's fenced in and she can play for a few mins without immediate input from me - but then they are much busier so it's riskier asking another adult to join me in there!

My nan died 13 years ago at the age of 72. She'd had COPD for years, got a cold in November which turned to pneumonia and she passed away.
I'm not sure where she caught the cold from, but back in those halcyon days no-one went around calling people granny killers...it was just one of those things.
A mixture of a serious health condition, a virus and winter conditions were the cause of death.
We felt relieved for her that her suffering was over really. And she was ready to go after a full life lived with love. And we treasure the memories of the time we spent gathered around her bed in the weeks and months before then...she loved to hear my disastrous dating stories, my sister's wedding plans (which she was too poorly to attend), the family gossip from my mom and her sisters. They were precious moments that we reminisce about still. Bugger off with your granny killing nonsense! Life is for living, time with the elderly should not be sacrificed because of fear.

I hear you OP. We went into lock down in tier 1 we are now in tier 2, so what was the fucking point? Our cases are around the same as they were before, 43 per 100,000 ,so there is no logic (that I can see anyway), in putting us in a higher tier

And I note that the normally vociferous civil liberties lot haven't said a word since March.

@Lweji People latch on to promises of a vaccine. DH's and my parents view is that they're vulnerable so they'll get a vaccine first or nearly first and they believe the headlines that it'll be available by the end of the year or March, so 12 weeks so it's ok if we don't meet up any time soon because it's not much longer. They're being incredibly naive to think they'll be first, even if they are vulnerable, and even more naive to think that they'll get a vaccine in March. It does my head in.

There seems to be an MP rebellion going on with lots saying will not vote for this, however Labour will vote for it so it will go through.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

I hear you OP. We went into lock down in tier 1 we are now in tier 2, so what was the fucking point? Our cases are around the same as they were before, 43 per 100,000 ,so there is no logic (that I can see anyway), in putting us in a higher tier

We went in at tier 1 and are now tier 3, despite having fewer cases per 100k now than we did when we went into lockdown.

Mustfly same with my Granny, she had dementia however but died of pneumonia.

@skybluee xmas is limited numbers its 3 households max , most households i would imagine average 4/5 so will be approx 12 meeting , but prob lots of smaller groups as well , say 3 households if 2 etc . Yes there are a few larger households but its unlikely they will bubble with another larger household twice over .
So they have limited the numbers wether people stick with that is another matter