Christmas bubble! What a load of shit

[doodledo92]

Christmas bubble.... really! Sorry but what a load of bollocks all this shit is now!!

@ineedaholidaynow

If there were 3 adult children, they could meet up together so they wouldn't be alone, so no rules broken and no problems with favourites.

exactly.

If people were sensible, no one needs to be alone at Christmas, but it does mean accepting that you won't necessarily see all the family you would normally do. It's only one year.

If you have 3 adult children who would otherwise be alone that means they live alone?

Not if they were all living with partners but the partners were joining to their respective families’ bubbles. Or if they lived in a shared house.

@RichTeaCheddars

If you have 3 adult children who would otherwise be alone that means they live alone?

So you could form a support bubble with one and be classed as one household with them. Then you see your other 2 as well and that only makes 3 households as per the government xmas bubble rules

Only if you are already a support bubble, you're not supposed to chop and change.

I wasn't suggesting a change. If you aren't in one and meet the criteria you can make one now. As long as you stick with it.

If not living alone and with partners then they won't be alone for the day. It'd be very unreasonable of the partners to go to their family and not include your adult child or make sure theyd have somehwere to go

Yes it’s ridiculous thousands of extra deaths. People living alone are already allowed bubbles so nobody would have spent Christmas alone.

Boris didn't want to go down as the PM who cancelled Christmas so came up with this nonsense. Can't enforce it and will blame the public for 'purposefully not understanding' as will the rest of the Tory cronies.

The public will be the ones to blame for another spike.

I'm staying in my bubble for xmas.

I’m presuming the “childcare Bubbles” are defunct at Christmas and don’t class as extra?

A colleague is still having her 8 grandchildren from 3 different households over to her house despite lockdown claiming its childcare even though she works full time and the kids mums don’t work!

I presume she will carry on doing what she likes and continue to risk infecting us all at work and our patients.

That's a good point how on earth will childcare bubbles work as well as all this?

@StealthPolarBear

That's a good point how on earth will childcare bubbles work as well as all this?

If you already are going to use a childcare bubble that’s one of your Christmas bubble. It’s three households in a bubble.

Childcare bubbles aren't supposed to include any socialising between the adults - the child's parent or carer can't be present - but in theory I suppose you could therefore see your grandchildren as well as your three household bubble if they're in your childcare bubble, but not your children!

Incidentally while the colleague is clearly breaking the childcare bubble rules if she's having them from three different households, it doesn't actually say anywhere that childcare bubbles are to allow parents to work, or that you have to have any particular reason for needing childcare at all.

DMIL has four adult children. Three of those adult children have families including partners with parents of their own. (The fourth is a singleton who is already in our support bubble). She simply cannot see all of her children/grandchildren over Christmas without it being counted as four bubbles. But there's another complication, DMIL is in a support bubble with another family to whom she is both emotionally and geographically close, they are her main support. No doubt they want to see their two adult children and grandchildren. So that becomes six bubbles.

I'm coming to the conclusion that we just won't see her. I haven't broken the news to DH yet. He won't be happy and won't be able to see the maths!

Yes good point. If you need them for childcare you will be able to also socialise during this period.

Well I guess a lot of people will break the rules but I hope they think it is worth it when in the new year the figures soar and the NHS can't cope.

I have spoken to all my family members today (who me and DH normally spend Christmas with) and we are all going to abide by the rules.

Me and DH will have our first ever Christmas on our own in 40 years. Yes it will be sad not spending with family especially my parents as I have never had a Christmas not with them but better to be safe than sorry

Calmandmeasured1 Thanks for the thought, but the home haven't managed to enable visits so far, and don't expect to be able to do for Christmas.

RichTeaCheddars Wed 25-Nov-20 11:42:22

@xenia A household that has just one adult in can be in a support bubble with another household to form one joint household. So could your daughter that lives alone be in a support bubble with you?"

My daughter has a boyfriend and they both live alone so are already in a group. He is going to his own parents out of London for Xmas and she is coming to us. I suppose my oldest son who also lives alone and hasn't a support bubble or group with anyone (he drives a van delivering food every day and is regularly tested at work, temperature taken every day even back in March) so join a bubble of us may be for xmas so the twins and I and he become "one", then the other 3 children (including the one in a family with its spouse and children) is another. I will wait to see what the legislation says when it is published.

I have the very large family house where they have not been able to meet since last Christmas so it would be nice if they could come here. As some have spent years trying to wrest out of me that I have a favourite child of the 5 (I don't) this might be their chance to see which of the 5 I leave out....

Put this on the other thread but probably more relevant to this one...

I think ive worked out what we are going to do...
Im going to see my Fil one day, and my parents one day and the rest of the time we are going to do our own thing.

That way we keep to our 3 family bubble. I can close my eyes to whatever my parents decide to do.
Had a ridiculous conversation with them today as they were driving to see my bro and his family, but wouldn't tell me where they were going "oh just out for a ride..." I'm over it, fed up to be made to feel like the bad one for keeping to the rules. Was made to feel like I was ruining christmas because I wasnt going to say I was happy for everyone to meet at my home.
The thing is the numbers mount up so quickly and im just not doing it...
My household (1), My parents (2), My Fil (3)... Then if I see my Bro's family (4), they will see his wives family (5), who will definitely see both sets of grandparents (6, 7)... and probably their other children (8)...

Every year Christmas is a frekking nightmare! Urgh! Sorry i'm pee'd off!

@RichTeaCheddars

you can continue to meet people who are not in your Christmas bubble outside your home according to the rules in the tier where you are staying
Thank you for pointing that out. I have no idea how I missed that. Oops.

@Karcheer

Put this on the other thread but probably more relevant to this one...

I think ive worked out what we are going to do...
Im going to see my Fil one day, and my parents one day and the rest of the time we are going to do our own thing.

That way we keep to our 3 family bubble. I can close my eyes to whatever my parents decide to do.
Had a ridiculous conversation with them today as they were driving to see my bro and his family, but wouldn't tell me where they were going "oh just out for a ride..." I'm over it, fed up to be made to feel like the bad one for keeping to the rules. Was made to feel like I was ruining christmas because I wasnt going to say I was happy for everyone to meet at my home.
The thing is the numbers mount up so quickly and im just not doing it...
My household (1), My parents (2), My Fil (3)... Then if I see my Bro's family (4), they will see his wives family (5), who will definitely see both sets of grandparents (6, 7)... and probably their other children (8)...

Every year Christmas is a frekking nightmare! Urgh! Sorry i'm pee'd off!

Though if you see your parents and they’ve seen anyone else, like your brother, without telling you, then you’ve gone over 3!

@Redlocks28 youre absolutely right, I wont see them... I wont beable to not see my Fil so will see him. He wont see anyone else as his support bubble are going on holiday, like they do every year without worrying about him being on his own...

I hate to harp on about schools again, but if I can be in a classroom with 250 households a day, 30 at a time, many of whom are behaving irresponsibly outside school I’m struggling to see how me meeting 4 households who are all being sensible over Christmas is going to create a massive spike. It’s all bollocks.

You don’t have to do any of it . They said it’s down to personal responsibility.

From what I can see if they had said no one can meet about 50% would have said sod the government I am doing it anyway .

So at least this way those people who were going to mix have some guidelines.

So it’s not shit . It’s use your common sense if you have any .

There are hundreds of family set ups and life is not black and white .

Do what is best for your family as realise the virus won’t go away for Christmas.

@cardibach

The difference is how families intersect when they are together .

High risk is people in a non ventilated room talking at each other directly and of course hugging and kissing

@Karcheer

You are right until it gets close people just take things for granted .

We had a case in a local school this week and the child involved passed it on to and adult carer . The carer now has symptoms. The son of the carer works with us . Plus another member of staff has a child in the same class . All of a sudden we have people who could have been in close contact .we have bubbles but guess what people have been breaking the bubbles because they got complacent.

It’s not worth it .

[quote Unsure33]@cardibach

The difference is how families intersect when they are together .

High risk is people in a non ventilated room talking at each other directly and of course hugging and kissing[/quote]
You realise I have 30 people from 30 households in a poorly ventilated room for an hour at a time, with the households changing each hour for 5 hours a day? Ok, I don’t hug and kiss them, but they tend to get all over each other in the corridors and on the way in. Nobody is 2m from anyone. There’s quite a lot of talking going on, mostly directed straight at me given the rows. It really is much more likely to cause infection than Christmas lunch.

It all reminds me a bit of this ... onlinedoctor.lloydspharmacy.com/blog/sex-degrees/