Christmas bubble! What a load of shit

[doodledo92]

Christmas bubble.... really! Sorry but what a load of bollocks all this shit is now!!

Not 24! 16

No @grassisjeweled - it’s not the number of households you can see at a time, it’s the number of households you can see in total - and it’s 3, not 4. The bubbles have to be “exclusive” so you don’t create chains of households mixing.

For example: Household A goes to visit Household B, then separately visits Household C. Households A, B and C are then a “bubble” and neither Household B or C can visit anyone else despite the fact they’ve each only seen Household A.

Unfortunately I think the chances that most people will firstly understand and then secondly follow these rules are very slim.

I think we’re going to opt out of the whole thing. Even if we negotiate bubbles you then have the added issue that the bubbles are only allowed between 23rd and 27th, meaning that if people are to follow the rules, nearly everyone who needs to travel will be doing so on the 23rd, staying Xmas Eve. Xmas Day and Boxing Day and returning home on the 27th. It’s going to be gridlock!

This is going to be difficult! There are four households in my family. So who gets left out? I’ve always secretly felt I’m the least-loved sibling. Looks like I’m about to find out!

I’m happy I actually have family alive to see after all this is a global pandemic we are living with here. We won’t see anyone through our own choice regardless of what we are ‘allowed’ to do as the risk for us is too high and we will be in tier 3 for certain

I think the PM was under a load of pressure to allow families to do something. There will be people who will do what they want anyway, so at least this guidance gives them some rules (if they care to listen!). But as all the leaders have said ‘caution caution caution’. And just because ‘you can’ doesn't mean you should.
At the end of the day, they are doing it because it’s Christmas and the nhs has beds free ..... not because Covid has gone away.
We won’t be taking them up on the offer. I don’t wish to contribute to a third wave and risk another nationwide lockdown.

@VashtaNerada

This is going to be difficult! There are four households in my family. So who gets left out? I’ve always secretly felt I’m the least-loved sibling. Looks like I’m about to find out!

Could you split into two bubbles of two? Then everyone gets to see someone.

I was also thinking about NYE, I can’t imagine that everyone will willingly want to stay in their own households so are we to have a NYE bubble?! Honestly I wish the government would have just said stay in your own homes over Christmas (with mitigating circumstances for those who are on their own or who have terminal illnesses) as I dread to think what the spike could be in January now after all this mixing. And for five days!

I think Boris Johnson is an arse. Can't believe he is our Prime Minister.
But apart from the extremes of no measures and total lockdown, what else to do?

@grassisjeweled

So if I see 4 other households - I could then see a different set of 4 other households but not at the same time? I. E. DH'S family?

Makes zero sense. Theoretically I could see 24 different sets of people?

You can’t see 4 other households.

You can see two other households. You can then see the same people for 5 days in any combination but neither you, or either of them, can see anyone else.

@TheFormerPorpentinaScamander

Oh ok. I'll wait until an actual announcement then. I thought it was going to be 3 households total. Its no wonder people don't know the rules when the media report random shit all the time

I agree r.e media often reporting rubbish. But this is true. It was decided and confirmed yesterday.

If it's 3 households MIL has to choose between 2 of her 3 kids families. And that's before she even thinks about her husband's side. If she wants to include us that's us 'locked in' and means we can't see me mum or sister.

It's totally shit. I'd rather they just say no one mix than have to make these decisions

People were always going to do whatever the hell they like.

Clearly can't please all of the people all of the time. So many people saying well we are 4 families - tough. Where do we draw the line?

@VashtaNerada

This is going to be difficult! There are four households in my family. So who gets left out? I’ve always secretly felt I’m the least-loved sibling. Looks like I’m about to find out!

Why not do two and two?

Thanks for the suggestions of two and two! Even that will be contentious in my family but I’m sure we’ll think of something.

The scientists have been clear and that lots of household mixing over Christmas presents a significant risk and the message is to think carefully and exercise caution.

So I think for everyone questioning how they can possibly choose between different wings of the family and make this work unfortunately the answer is to think very carefully about whether it’s a good idea to see anyone at all.

It’s shit but I think we’ve decided that there’s more to loose than to gain from trying to see our family.

It's nonsense, and I think it makes a total joke of the situation now. There's no point having closed everything for a month if everyone is going to be allowed to do what they want for this time. Because then the NHS is going to be overwhelmed with people all having got unwell from those 5 days of mixing or whatever it is, all at the same time.

I don't know anyone sticking to a) the rules now or b) intending to stick to whatever they are then anyhow. And nor am I.

This is my year to have the kids the week after Christmas, so I'm going to miss the mixing days. Fortunately I'm in a support bubble with my mum, so will get to share it with her at the very least.

We’re so close to a vaccine, why take the risk of trying to mix. So awful to think of elderly relatives dying in January whilst vaccines being rolled out, for the sake of Christmas.

@doodledo92
t's ridiculous! Meet up with 4 other households is it?? Enjoy yourself for 4 days... then what???
Will it all be put on hold for 4 days so people can enjoy themselves with family! But... then back to not seeing family but can see work colleagues and school friends In work environment and school environment!

It's all beyond me now! I give up

You need to get real people would just do what they want it's a way of trying to limit it .

It's one flipping year! it really won't be the end of the world for the majority of people to only see two other households. Surely this is worth it in the longer run?

People have already had to make choices re bubbles. I know several people in single person households, including my elderly mother, who have had to choose who to bubble with. My mums best friend is a widow with twins children living nearby. She told them she wasnt prepared to choose between them.so they would have to decide. They decided she should bubble with her sons family, not her daughters, as daughter is a teacher so higher risk of transmitting the virus, plus she still has a school age child. whereas her son has adult children so theres less potential risk. No drama, no problem.

I'd imagine most people will manage to work it out. I'm just concerned about the idiots who decide to break the rules.

So some Sage bloke has come out and said it shouldn’t be happening, that it’s too risky.

If that’s the case (and I agree) why is Boris saying otherwise? What happened to following the science. He’s risking lives for political popularity. He can even say Xmas mixing is to save the economy because it won’t help.

The rules are pretty obvious, hard to police but quite clear.

3 households can form a Christmas bubble. It has to be an exclusive bubble of 3 households for the whole 5 days. You can’t swap and see others.

So my household, with my parents and my sisters household we are a Christmas bubble.

Luckily it’s not too complicated for us as my in-laws are stuck in a different country as is my sisters.

However, I do worry about killing off my parents for the sake of a Christmas gathering!

My mum has 5 kids. One still lives at home, and I’m single so formed a support bubble (meaning I count as part of their household). So she has to choose which of her adult children not to see. Except, of course she won’t. She’ll still see everyone because asking parents which child they want to leave out is ridiculous.

When you know a law is going to cause mass disobedience then it is best not to hold up the law to ridicule.