To be weary of the vaccines?

[PunkyPirate]

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

@camelscrossingthedesert, yes agree to an extent only as some people will have very valid concerns and presumably can discuss those with their GP. Then there are the group who simply just read shit on the internet and see the vaccine as some kind of conspiracy. MN is full of those people at the moment. Honestly what happened to MN??
I. Think it’s a shame of this group becomes so big and so adamant to trump through their “personal freedom” that actually it will take us longer to get out of this pandemic because of people’s stupidity.

I've just expressed my interest to NHS Professionals to be a vaccinator, so maybe you'll see me the other side of the needle!!

My technique is good....

It drives me nuts @ZolaGrey. Makes you wonder why you bother dedicating your life to do any sort of good in the world at all. It’s heartbreaking really that people think this is some kind of “each to their own hun, a difference of opinion” kind of situation. It isn’t. It’s a matter of life or death to a great many.

As a non-vulnerable, fit and healthy under 40 who was hospitalised with Covid I would absolutely have the vaccine. It can be a very unpleasant illness, even for those who are young and otherwise healthy.

It's perhaps a bit surprising that some who mention the vaccine's "95% effectiveness" are the same who call others "f**king idiots" if they'd rather not have it

From their position of assumed superior intelligence I'd have thought they'd notice that, until the claims have been peer reviewed, we don't actually know what the real effectiveness is - also to realise that given the profits involved, there's a very obvious motive to "make the most" of the claims

After all it's not as if it's not happened before ...

@Puzzledandpissedoff AstraZeneca are producing it not-for profit though? So what exactly is this 'motive' that people are so terrified of?

I will have it as soon as offered to me and will encourage my parents and remaining grandparent to do so too. I’m 31 but asthmatic and get a flu jab so am guessing I’ll be in the “moderate risk” category and so about halfway down the list to get it.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

It's perhaps a bit surprising that some who mention the vaccine's "95% effectiveness" are the same who call others "f**king idiots" if they'd rather not have it

From their position of assumed superior intelligence I'd have thought they'd notice that, until the claims have been peer reviewed, we don't actually know what the real effectiveness is - also to realise that given the profits involved, there's a very obvious motive to "make the most" of the claims

After all it's not as if it's not happened before ...

It's produced on a non-profit basis. So you are wrong there. The chances of the MHRA etc of not approving the vaccines is 0%. They will have already approved the protocols etc. And I work in clinical trial teams.

JimmyTheBrave you might want to look a little further into AZ's claim before taking it as read; like so many it's not at all what it seems at first glance, and rather than being "terrified" it's simply a matter of reading from reputable sources rather than the red top nonsense

As mentioned upthread, it's AZ for whom my relative works as an epidemiologist - the same man who's also avoiding the vaccine in the initial stages. Frankly if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me, though again I resist taking just one person's word for it

What are you on about @Puzzledandpissedoff?!! Do you have any actual evidence to prove what you are saying about AZ or is it ''someone I know' on the inside says...'?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

JimmyTheBrave you might want to look a little further into AZ's claim before taking it as read; like so many it's not at all what it seems at first glance, and rather than being "terrified" it's simply a matter of reading from reputable sources rather than the red top nonsense

As mentioned upthread, it's AZ for whom my relative works as an epidemiologist - the same man who's also avoiding the vaccine in the initial stages. Frankly if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me, though again I resist taking just one person's word for it

Some well educated people believe in a flat earth, fairies, Elvis is alive etc. You might want to take the view of the majority of clinical scientists rather than one person.

Puzzledandpissedoff - sorry what exactly is the claim by AZ you have telling us to look into more closely?
You have mentioned 95% - where have they said that?

I won’t be getting it and neither will my children

How many times does it need saying that children will not get it.

Instead of reading junk by ppl who suddenly know everything about vaccinations, instead read the study results on the different vaccines.

Thousands have been involved in the testing . Not one has died. Those involved in testing will be monitored for 12 months so that excuse is useless too.

Who doesn't want life to get back to normal again. To get that ppl need vaccinated.

You might want to take the view of the majority of clinical scientists rather than one person

If you read my post again you'll see I mentioned doing exactly that

For those who prefer redtop media as a source the % claims are all over the place, but then so are the professional reports if people choose to look instead of merely spouting the latest headline, and insisting those who take a different view are f**king idiots, selfish granny killers and all the rest

So are you going to provide citations @Puzzledandpissedoff or just say vague things like 'read the reports'?

I’m confused. AstraZeneca’s phase 2 report (their latest release) was peer reviewed and didn’t say a percentage I don’t think?

Yes, vaccination is the only way forward.

None of this ridiculous freedom pass stuff, or lockdown followed by EOTHO and foreign holidays followed by lockdown repeatedly, constant threat of school closures.

Just get everyone vaccinated who wants it.

@Userzzz

I won’t be getting it and neither will my children

Lovely Russian bot

I have probably had it and didn’t even know

Why do you think that ?

We won't know for years if its effective or safe

We know both of these things already

I’ll be having it as soon as I am able. My husband has said the same. I don’t believe it will be licensed for children.

@Sushirolls

I won't be having it, even if it means resigning from my job( I work in care). I think DH is on the fence, DS1, DD1 & DD2 have all said they won't have it but I think DS2 will have it if offered (early 20's, so will be awhile). My DSis and I have agreed that we will refuse consent for our DM to have it.

Words fail me. At least one of your children seems to be intelligent, he must stand out like a sore thumb in the rest of the family.

This is why I generally prefer to discuss these issues on fora other than MN, TrufflyPig - I find that those with more enquiring minds are willing and capable enough to research for themselves instead of expecting to be spoonfed

However it's really not difficult; for example you could google "AZ not for profit expiry date", "Seroquel clinical trials", "$355 million Zoladex", and "2004 Crestor"

@Whatwouldscullydo

I'm not relying on anyone for anything I will continue to so my best to protect myself within the other restrictions.

Low blow to try and emotionally blackmail people into things. Our own healthcare is between ourselves and our drs and no one else's business. I dont expect you to do something just because that's what's best for me..

I have no right to do that.

The other restrictions won’t exist. If you honestly think the government are going to sit back and continue to let the economy continue to be destroyed, pay people’s wages etc so the restrictions can be maintained to pander to anti vax idiots I expect you will be disappointed.

AstraZeneca’s phase 2 report (their latest release) was peer reviewed and didn’t say a percentage I don’t think?

I've not read it in full yet so can't comment, but in my post at 13.48 I was referring to the general principle of peer review - before posters mentioned AZ specifically