Christmas needs to be cancelled.

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So the suggestion to make it possible for the world to go and be super spreaders at Christmas is to stay in lockdown until Christmas, then open up for five days, then go back into lockdown for another 25 days (at least), five days for every day we’re out of lockdown.

Are people really that desperate to have a get together they could have at any other time of the year, maybe in the summer when this pandemic is under control, that they’re willing to spend months in lockdown to achieve it? Really?

My personal opinion is that it is our duty as a society to have a low key Christmas regardless of whether they take this ridiculous measure or not.

I understand that for some they want to see family at Christmas, but these ridiculous suggestions have gone too far.

Just cancel Christmas and give us an extra bank holiday next year to make up for it.

Im curious, do the police have the power to enter a home without a warrant? If not, how will they know how many people are in a house

BTW it isn't just about granny.
It is about transmission between households. There are plenty of people in their 50s and 60s in hospital with coronavirus.
They may be at risk in their working lives anyway, but mixing households exponentially increases their risk (all of our risk).

Best quote of the day! 😂

‘Oliver cromwell’

@AcornAutumn

Berry “ So Christmas will just be your household and any support bubble member.”

I asked this on another thread

Support bubbles are two households.

So out of me, mum, sister, who stays alone?

Currently in the lockdown, support bubbles are allowed, so that wouldn't change at Christmas. Single people living alone are allowed to mix with one other household. by law, even in lockdown.

You’re very blaze about people being able to catch up with family next year... so far many people have not been able to see parents, siblings and other loved ones for most of the year. I have a friend who thinks similar, it’s just a couple of weeks but does not acknowledge the 9 months before that. You also don’t seem to appreciate the different levels of restrictions in different areas. Some have been in lockdown for a couple of weeks my region has been on lockdown for 2 months this time round. I’m not complaining and I am happy to stick by the rules but I will be seeing my parents and siblings at Christmas. That’s the line in the sand that has helped me keep my sanity this year. I’m sure there are many who feel the same.

I can’t believe the number of people on here who openly admit they want the government to legislate for restrictions to stop them having to socialise with their own family. Pathetic.

@yesyoudoknowme I'm so sorry to hear that, I hope you are doing what you need to so that you can have some time with her now, nobody could judge you for that

Berry, yes, I know.

But which of us spends Christmas alone? All three single. Mum widowed. So a choice has to be made.

I don't think it is worth it but couldn't there be a compromise, people able to see family Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and that is it? If people are staying over they need to leave Boxing Day morning? Why do people need 5 days?

It doesn’t matter if they open for Xmas or not. I’m still going over my parents house with my kids and il be stopping to see my nan on the day too.

the elderly people just want to be here next year and for many years to come, so are perfectly happy to not mix on Christmas Day.

I’m confused by the certainty implicit here. People die from things that aren’t Covid. Plenty of people won’t be here next Christmas and it will be nothing to do with CV.

Currently in the lockdown, support bubbles are allowed, so that wouldn't change at Christmas.
Single people living alone are allowed to mix with one other household. by law, even in lockdown.
Pretty sure the PP was saying her, her mum and her sister are 3 separate households. Bubbles are only allowed to be two households somoutnofnthe three of them how do they decide who gets left out? It's a shit position to be in.

@ancientgran

I don't think it is worth it but couldn't there be a compromise, people able to see family Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and that is it? If people are staying over they need to leave Boxing Day morning? Why do people need 5 days?

Trains don’t usually run Boxing Day.

I think I do agree with you op
I work in a hospital and covid is now starting to spread across the whole hospital again like it did in March/April and we have been in lockdown over 2 weeks.
Obviously not working.

As for visitors we are letting in visitors for the EOL patients.

Such an awful year but we are seeing Covid Patients in their early 20s

I also agree that we want to see our elderly relatives on Christmas Day
Just e careful keep your distance and wear a mask
Stay safe everyone
This is a hard one especially this time of year.

@AcornAutumn

Berry, yes, I know.

But which of us spends Christmas alone? All three single. Mum widowed. So a choice has to be made.

Neither. Because bubble is supposed to be with 1 other household, not 2, so one of you has a bubble with someone outside of you three.

Regardless of any restrictions we would have a low key Christmas anyway, as we only visit family (who live abroad) every other year. I do not see why people are so desperate to have a free for all (more or less) when the cost is so high. If you are on your own you can have a support bubble, if you are a family or household unit you can have it with them.
I know it is not ideal, and a very small minority will find it very hard indeed (Christmas can be hard for some people any given year). But we are in unprecedented times, and rather than say Christmas is cancelled, it should just be considered different this year.
Even with just the three of us it will be special: decorations as usual, a lovely meal, some games after.

We're having 13 for Christmas Day, rules be damned. 8 on Boxing Day and 27th.

I couldn't give a flying fuck anymore and I'm 'CEV'. Family and friends are all of the same mindset, I don't know a single person who's planning to keep Christmas to themselves/their bubble

An extra bank holiday would cost too much at a time we can't afford it. I agree though, it's bonkers

They know they can't enforce it. What would cancelling Christmas involve? No uni students home? No visiting the terminally ill? No Christmas shopping?

I think you should only be allowed to have Christmas with your household this year and if you have a relative who would be completely alone then they can form a bubble with your household for that day. Any relatives who would not be alone will have to just have it with their household.
It’s crap but i don’t see how the economy will ever recover if businesses have to close yet again for another month or two.
We could all have a belated “Christmas” next year when hopefully the numbers have dropped right down and people are starting to get vaccinated.

I’m a practicing Christian and I can assure you Christmas won’t be cancelled.

The normal trappings of Christmas might not happen. We already know that (IF the churches are allowed to reopen) that places at all Masses will be very limited to ensure social distancing so I know I won’t be at Mass. My non-attendance at a service for one year won’t stop it being Christmas!

The normal social events have been curtailed. We won’t be holding the usual Secret Santa shindig with my mates. The big church Xmas dinner is cancelled. Our annual outing to London with old friends and the tribe of now adult kids, their partners and the one new GC won’t happen. But that doesn’t stop it being Christmas.

We normally host a big Christmas lunch for our families and whilst I would love it to go ahead it’s looking unlikely but I have ordered the usual two turkeys and if they can’t come to us DH will be dropping socially distanced cool bags of fully prepared and cooked turkey, stuffing, gravy, puddings etc at 3 houses on Christmas morning. If they can’t come to dinner then dinner will come to them!

Christmas is much more than two bank holidays. Whether you embrace the religious side or the secular side or both, it’s still going to happen regardless of CoVid.

Trains don’t usually run Boxing Day. It isn't a usual year though is it.

As a PP said, piss off indeed. As a family we have suffered several bereavements this year, and are absolutely not going to be kept apart at such an emotional time of year. Everyone has their own situations, you can't use blanket rules like you're trying to in your post, OP.

As a DW of a critical care nurse, those of you saying you don't care if you catch Covid-19 are definitely being selfish. The NHS isn't there to pick up the pieces of you deliberately putting yourself at risk.