Christmas needs to be cancelled.

[AlternativePerspective]

So the suggestion to make it possible for the world to go and be super spreaders at Christmas is to stay in lockdown until Christmas, then open up for five days, then go back into lockdown for another 25 days (at least), five days for every day we’re out of lockdown.

Are people really that desperate to have a get together they could have at any other time of the year, maybe in the summer when this pandemic is under control, that they’re willing to spend months in lockdown to achieve it? Really?

My personal opinion is that it is our duty as a society to have a low key Christmas regardless of whether they take this ridiculous measure or not.

I understand that for some they want to see family at Christmas, but these ridiculous suggestions have gone too far.

Just cancel Christmas and give us an extra bank holiday next year to make up for it.

@Sleazeyjet

*wasnt

Have you any fucking clue how much thought and planning has gone into this? The kids have been stuck in fucking university rooms for the last 2 weeks so they can get home. And my 80 year old aunt is moving out of her fucking house.

So that one of my children and their cousin can be there for 2 weeks.

We had to get special permission from the 2 universities involved from them to travel outside the fucking travel window.

It’s the very fucking bastard definition of not selfish.

Jesus fucking wept this place is vile.

Jesus Christ. Take a chill pill.

You are the one coming across vile currently.

I host Christmas for family (11 people, including children) every year. The invitation has been extended to everyone again this year.

My family can weigh up the risks and decide for themselves whether or not they wish to come. This includes my gran who, contrary to the belief on this thread, is capable of making her own decisions.

Don't give (anyone's) Granny Covid for Christmas' is a good slogan

Is it? It’s a bit patronising - they are grown women, not children.

I am not responsible for anyone’s gran. And I don’t see how I could give anyone’s gran Covid for Christmas. I don’t fucking go anywhere!

The guilt tripping on here is awful.

(Should say - I live in the real world, people are going to do whatever. Realistic guidance should reflect that but I’m not in favour of a free for all for 5 days followed by a month’s lockdown. Provide limits on the number of households who can mix, discourage public transport, that sort of thing. That said, we’ll be flying solo I think.)

@Sleazeyjet, if you're doing all that then you are not doing what people are complaining about here, thus you can rest assured that said complaints are not directed towards you and your situation.

Really?

From the op:

I understand that for some they want to see family at Christmas, but these ridiculous suggestions have gone too far.

Just cancel Christmas and give us an extra bank holiday next year to make up for it.

Don't give (anyone's) Granny Covid for Christmas' is a good slogan

It isn’t. It’s accusatory and would therefore prompt rejection and dismissal. An effective slogan would require a lot more thought.

My dad already has COVID. The risk is he will give it to us.

We were all happy to plan a low key Christmas until MIL was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer and given around 8 weeks to live, which takes us up to Christmas week. And all 4 grandkids have their birthdays in the 19 days before Christmas (including DD's first birthday)

We will be spending Christmas Day at SIL's house, all together, 4 kids & 7 adults. Hopefully MIL will be with us and there will be a touch of normality for the children.
Other than the 3 school age children we are all pretty much isolating anyway to allow us to visit her at the moment.

That won't change, regardless of what anyone tells us to do!

What about people in care homes? Allowed visitors for Christmas or just left and forgotten about? Devastating.

Not interested in this post any longer. Merry Xmas y'all!

@Sarah24680

What about people in care homes? Allowed visitors for Christmas or just left and forgotten about? Devastating.

I think people in care homes generally at the end of life and they are allowed visitors. There's nothing to stop people taking them out to spend Christmas with them if they really want to but I suppose the care home won't have to take them back.

PhilCornwall1 so you can’t wear a mask but fuck everybody else, you’ll go out exactly as much as you like?

There are actual people on the other side of these screens.

Lay off.

I think Christmas should be prioritised over other faith celebrations in the UK re.above posting. I'm sure in eg Muslim countries they don't prioritise Christian festivals. This country is getting ridiculous. 😠

My dad already has COVID. The risk is he will give it to us.

That is not true.

If he has already had it, he will have stopped being infectious after a while.

Plus, there are increasing reports of people who got it twice. A friend of mine who is a physician in a hospital has just told me they have seen a few cases.

So, even after having covid, your dad is still at risk of

Surely a compromise would be, maximum of 2 house holds to mix.
The number of people isn't limited but the actual number of house holds is.
Then no one is having to be alone at Christmas.
Yes people will have to choose which members to see, but that's the same every year for a lot of people.

People need to understand that Christmas is just a day!! And this year is has been crap but it isn't suddenly going to get better with some "Christmas magic" like the films.
If any number are allowed to mix for 5 days over Christmas, people will die! We know this, it's been proved several times since March. Yet people are willing to say "fuck it" ...... all for turkey and Presents!

Unconvinced by above re what's happening re people in care homes. Last I heard they were certainly not allowed visitors.

Ups,

Anyone who has had covid is still at risk of getting covid again, and it could be worse.

If only 2 households are allowed to mix, we won’t be able to all see my dad. He would have to choose between his children.

@Lweji

Ups,

Anyone who has had covid is still at risk of getting covid again, and it could be worse.

We are doing the absolute max to ensure that none of us have COVID.

Is there really any need for that comment?

I’m desperately upset my dad has a few weeks. I don’t even know if he will be here at Christmas.

Don’t you think I know we have to do as much as we possibly can?

What, in what have written, has made you think I’m stupid, or unaware of all the risks?

As if anyone is going to take any notice of what randoms on the internet say they should do, these threads are a waste of time and not at all informative.

@VulvaPerson

Honestly, the only reason this is being said, is they know that MANY will ignore lockdown when it comes to xmas, so its better if they pretend its all fine and they have 'allowed it'. Would look extremely bad otherwise, when loads ignored the restrictions.

Maybe it should look bad on the rule breakers. The government wouldn’t be responsible for individual actions.

Too many will pay with their health, lives and jobs because people can’t stick to Christmas just in their own households.

I think a lot of people have had enough.

The government know people are going to gather at Christmas, not everyone perhaps but plenty enough so instead of waiting afterwards to see the spread of Covid-19 they will put everyone in a lockdown before numbers rise.

So it doesn't matter if you mix at Christmas or not lockdown will happen. If numbers are too high it will mean schools as well.

They are laying the foundation blocks so businesses and parents can't whinge because they will say "we told you so"

And as always schools closed, businesses closed will be fine, good even for some, for others it will be awful. We don't care either way just have to get on with it.

No one cares about anyone else except themselves.

Nothing anyone can do about whatever is decided.

'Surely a compromise would be, maximum of 2 house holds to mix. The number of people isn't limited but the actual number of house holds is.Then no one is having to be alone at Christmas. Yes people will have to choose which members to see, but that's the same every year for a lot of people.'

I agree, 2 households and just taking it in turns so see parents on Christmas day or boxing day. I dont know why people think it all rests on one day, spread it out a bit!

@Lweji

Ups,

Anyone who has had covid is still at risk of getting covid again, and it could be worse.

Probably not actually. There have only been a handful of cases where people have got it again and there is with anything. It's true that we don't know how long immunity lasts for, but it's probably for a few months at least.