Month long lockdown to 'pay' for 5 days over Christmas

[NotAKaren]

PHE have confirmed Sage advice that for every one day of relaxation over Christmas would require 5 days of restrictions afterwards. So for 5 days relaxation, which is rumoured to be what the government have in mind, would mean 25 days of restrictions. Is it really worth it?

@BlueBlueElectric

I’d rather see family at Christmas and lockdown after Christmas for a month.

Well, I'd rather have a job, and Christmas can bugger off.

Then give it a few months after they have lost their jobs and people will be calling them scroungers and asking why they havent found another job yet.

I have a feeling that there is overlap between the "STAY AT HOME" brigade and the "SAVE CHRISTMAS" brigade.

I for one would like normal life to resume, and I'm not in the slightest bit interested in Christmas. I am more interested in my sector being allowed to work again. My DC would miss an ordinary Christmas, certainly, but not as much as they would miss having a roof over their heads this coming year.

Why's it inflammatory? It's the truth.

It's very wrong to allow thousands of avoidable deaths for the sake of a few months. Very wrong.

Mental health? What do you think bereavement does?

And think about our frontline healthcare workers. Does no one care about them? The trauma of the first wave saw ICU nurses sectioned. It's unfair to add even more pressure on already struggling doctors and nurses and health care staff.

@etopp its a bit more nuanced than that.

@Powerof4

I don’t want Christmas as much as I want school, businesses, jobs, seeing friends occasionally, kids able to do some sport

Yeah x

So if ppl forego Christmas there would definately be no lockdown in January. Just slipping in that this lockdown was mooted to give families some semblance of a normal Christmas.

@etopp

I have a feeling that there is overlap between the "STAY AT HOME" brigade and the "SAVE CHRISTMAS" brigade.

I for one would like normal life to resume, and I'm not in the slightest bit interested in Christmas. I am more interested in my sector being allowed to work again. My DC would miss an ordinary Christmas, certainly, but not as much as they would miss having a roof over their heads this coming year.

I think it's the opposite. Had we properly gone The Stay Home route earlier and stricter, we would have been able to have a fully saved Christmas.

@MercyBooth

So if ppl forego Christmas there would definately be no lockdown in January. Just slipping in that this lockdown was mooted to give families some semblance of a normal Christmas.

The government have failed miserably in both the handling of the pandemic and their communication.

"I will not risk the lives of anyone’s grandparents, parents, siblings etc.. to indulge my own needs"

Really?

You get shipping from a supermarket or have it delivered? Everyone in the shot chain or shop has to risk their life or those they live with.

You have electric and gas water etc to your house? Ditto

Or you have kids you send to school? The other pupils staff etc have some level of risk. A kid at my school got covid got it last month , his mum caught it and is now dead. Loads of posters would say they need their kids to have an education social interaction improved mh etc and the risk to others is worth it.

I got covid already because society judges the risk to me worth it. I am unlikely to pass on the virus for a few months but am at very high risk of getting reinfected because of other people's needs.

That doesnt answer the question. If peopler were to forego Christmas that would mean no January lockdown?

@walksen Piers Morgan said he ate loads of takeaways during Lockdown 1 I dont know who brought them to him. Pixies with gossamer wings i presume.

Save Christmas my arse!!

It’s just a tinsel covered delay tactic..... January lockdown will kill off remaining businesses very very easily

@BlueBlueElectric

I’d rather see family at Christmas and lockdown after Christmas for a month.

Unbelievably selfish. You will not feel the same when someone you loves dies. Tick-tock.

Paper on the effectiveness of various mitigation measures to reduce transmission of SARSCoV2
'Small gathering cancellation' is ranked as the most effective intervention.
www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-01009-0

It is just one Christmas. Stay home and look forward to the next one. Nothing bad will happen if you don't sit at a table and eat turkey.

Weird how all these ideas get leaked. They’re testing the waters aren’t they, trying to see what the reaction will be. Or telling us something extreme, so that when something less bad happens we’ll all say ok then.

@Lalliella

Weird how all these ideas get leaked. They’re testing the waters aren’t they, trying to see what the reaction will be. Or telling us something extreme, so that when something less bad happens we’ll all say ok then.

It's good to see I'm not the only cynical person around

I'm not being selfish at all merely stating what I'd prefer to happen. My preference is no less valid than anyone elses regardless of what you all think. It suits me better to have Christmas with my family and lockdown after.

In the end we'll all just have to go along with what they decide.

@notangelinajolie what a nasty spiteful thing to say. I'm a vulnerable person sheilding I have a very ill loved one I'd like to see before the end. If the get covid it won't be from me. Unbelievable, you're practically wishing a berevment on me, what a nasty person you are.

@chipsandgin

So they relax the restrictions at Christmas & all the families with all the kids who’ve just broken up from the schools riddled with Corona just before then get to see extended family and friends including elderly relatives indoors all together, I mean what could possibly go wrong...

And it's not as if the NHS struggles in a normal January - let alone a pandemic.

My love for my parents will be expressed in not seeing them for Christmas Day this year.

I'm not the sort of person who could exonerate myself from blame if our visit led to them being carted off to hospital with Covid. My sister could. She'd say they wanted to see the grandchildren and they knew the risks.

I wonder how many on this thread have a holiday booked in the New Year.

Christmas or not, I bet there will still be a lockdown in January/February.

@LucyFox

No it’s not worth a full relaxation & anyway it would be unfair to those who have had to celebrate Diwali etc in lockdown ... However permitting 2 households/bubbles to join would help numerous people & prevent people being alone over the 4 day bank holiday - my friend has a sibling with a young child, who is bubbled with her parents to enable childcare/support. As such my friend (single) is not able to see either & is likely to have to spend Christmas alone. Another friend lives with her husband & only his (elderly) parents are still around - they can’t currently visit & there will be a lot of elderly couples on their own who really could benefit from seeing one of their children’s families in a situation like this ...

@LucyFox not sure if someone has said this but get your friend to read the guidelines. The sibling with the child could bubble for childcare only and the parents could form a support bubble with your single friend. It would mean that the sibling wouldn't be allowed to mix socially with the parents, though. But I saw that in the guidelines earlier.

"When is this fucking shitshow going to end? There has been almost no public resistance when the government have dragged it out week after week, month after month. Will the public tolerate year after year as well? It feels that way with the "now that we have a vaccine, it's not going to be normal until next winter". What will happen then? "Sorry, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease be patient, six more years to go. If you don't like it, you'll just have to commit suicide, because we simply can't allow anyone to work and earn money at all." "

• My thoughts exactly!