Is a change beginning to happen regarding schools?

[Covidfears]

I’ve been noticing more articles lately in the mainstream press about the difficulties in schools (which will come as no surprise to most people). There’s also been some research which has basically confirmed that schools are driving infections. So, along with it looking like this lockdown has been a waste of time (due to schools being kept open to continue the spread) and people in power calling for Hull schools to be closed do we think that schools will be closing early for Christmas?

Is there any chance that blended learning or rotas will be coming in after the Christmas holidays?

We are a vulnerable family with children in primary school and the risk that sending them every day with no safety measures poses to our family is causing me huge amounts of stress.

[quote Musicaldilemma]@noblegiraffe- plenty of lawyers part of UsForThem. Are you sure they are paying them re face masks? If you look at their website, they don’t believe face masks make a big difference. It is one thing advocating for face masks in corridors/public transport vs all day face mask wearing in a classroom. My secondary school aged DD happily wears a face mask in one of her lessons because her teacher has a vulnerable child. The head and all pupils are happy with that, there is a reason for it. But that is a far cry from making every pupil wear face masks all day for the sake of it.[/quote]
I have about 99% chance of being hospitalized if I get covid. But I don't deserve the same safeguarding that the said teacher's kid? If I do deserve it: well, it's mask for all, all the time.

@noblegiraffe

I thought you didn't like sweeping generalisations?

They are campaign group who have campaigned for what I have written.

The bit about a lot of them being batshit covid deniers comes from former members.

A very small minority are covid deniers. The rest just want their kids in school.

Don't preach about something you know f all about.

Hi even more Us4Themers. How does it feel that secondary school kids are the most infected subset of the population and more than half a million kids and counting are trapped at home because of the lack of mitigation measures in schools that you campaigned for?

Only close contacts should self isolate. If you have year group bubbles and seating plans and windows permanently open, only close contacts are likely exposed.

Because a virus knows not to travel in the air more than 2 meters. And it also knows that if a window is opened 10 cm (many/most schools don't have fully openable windows) it should just scurry out even if the air is actually not really moving.
Oh yeah, seating plans. Kids don't have lunchtimes, breaks where they are mingling unsupervised. right.

The Germans don’t believe in masks as much as the French

I don't believe this is true exactly. Because the Germans followed the science they have an excellent test and trace, which includes testing asymptomatic contacts of positive cases, so they have kept rates lower than the rest of Europe which does mean less need for masks. (They also have much better healthcare which is in less danger of being overwhelmed and a much lower death rate)

Most scientists believe that a good test, trace and isolate system is the most important thing a country can do against sars-cov-2. Masks need to be used more where you've failed at this.

Indie Sage published a document saying masks in schools over 50/100k population. The rates of covid matter. If you keep your rates low (we haven't) then there is less need for masks.

Only close contacts should self isolate.

This is bullshit, ignores the science and is contributing to the spread in schools.

Unsurprising to see you supporting it as it fits the MO perfectly.

Plenty of scientists part of UsForThem too, definitely not all crazy. @TheSunisstillshining- I don’t get why very vulnerable teachers in my children’s schools are in fact working from home, some vulnerable ones are wearing masks/so are their pupils - all after discussions with their head teachers, yet you are not? Sounds like you have a specific work place problem rather than it being an all schools issue. It is normal to inform your boss/HR of any medical conditions.

Plenty of scientists part of UsForThem too

You can find scientists who deny climate change or think the Earth is 6000 years old.

You can’t dispute the data though. Secondary kids are the most infected subset of the population and the number of secondary schools with cases has nearly doubled in a week.

It's not about me working or not. It's about me as a parent which IS EXACTLY THE SAME as the scenario you described. And yet kids should not be wearing a mask all day, all of them.
I am sure that the logic -lack thereof- is lost on you....

Us4them refer to compelling evidence that children play a minimal role in transmitting covid - it's that compelling that I couldn't be bothered to read it; however, I am sure that somebody will be along to tell me that their CEO friend's husband's daughter's head teacher (who's very important, doncha know) once spoke to somebody else who said children don't transmit covid. Thanks in advance.

@MrsDanvers123

The bit about ventilation in German schools is a bit of a myth. And not everyone is beatifically happy. Decisions still pending re schools there.

*On Friday, the student council of the Hugo-Kükelhaus-Berufskolleg (HKBK) in Essen addressed all students at secondary schools and vocational colleges in North Rhine-Westphalia on Twitter. “We demand education with responsibility,” the appeal said. “We are afraid: Afraid to infect grandma and grandpa. Fear of infecting ourselves. Fear of losing people who mean a lot to us.”

Teachers and students are “together day after day for hours in a confined space ..., without a ventilation system and without the possibility of maintaining sufficient distance.” “All of Germany’s incumbent education ministers,” the appeal went on, had so far refused “to continue teaching in hybrid [alternating in-person and online lessons] classes in secondary schools and vocational colleges”—not to mention more far-reaching measures.

The students, therefore, conclude: “We as learners, but also teachers and school administrators are obviously not being heard.” Therefore, they declare, “from Monday, November 16, 2020, for an indefinite period, we will go on hybrid strike and call on the country’s secondary schools and vocational colleges via all social media channels available to us to do the same!”*

I would love UK kids to do this as well!!!!

@MrsDanvers123

Us4them refer to compelling evidence that children play a minimal role in transmitting covid - it's that compelling that I couldn't be bothered to read it; however, I am sure that somebody will be along to tell me that their CEO friend's husband's daughter's head teacher (who's very important, doncha know) once spoke to somebody else who said children don't transmit covid. Thanks in advance.

Compelling lack of evidence because they’re not researching it. Not testing children with common child covid symptoms. Not properly acknowledging asymptomatic spread - how would these children be spotted as covid case 1 in their household.

Their deliberately ignoring what they should presuming to be true unless proved otherwise (because it’s true for most other viruses!).

It’s criminal. The government needs to sort itself out if they ever want to be elected again in living memory.

Yes - it will be interesting to see what the future historians make of it!

Well it has been interesting; off to “name change”. Rest assured that in the schools of my 4 kids I am one of the cautious ones as far as Covid is concerned. Your views are in the very small minority in England. Schools will remain open on the whole and the kids won’t be vaccinated. Somehow you will have to get your heads around that sooner rather than later/resign/homeschool etc.

wow. that is taking sulking to a whole new level. Childish I would say, but lets not offend the kids...

@Musicaldilemma

Well it has been interesting; off to “name change”. Rest assured that in the schools of my 4 kids I am one of the cautious ones as far as Covid is concerned. Your views are in the very small minority in England. Schools will remain open on the whole and the kids won’t be vaccinated. Somehow you will have to get your heads around that sooner rather than later/resign/homeschool etc.

You have your point of view, but seem to be utterly incapable of seeing anybody else's which us really quite sad. I already have my head around this current crisis, thank you, and I am not planning on resigning because I am far too stubborn! I agree with you that I want schools to remain open , but not in their current state. Teachers, along with other professions, are inherently flexible; so, don't worry about us -:we'll manage to keep going. Thanks for your thoughts.

Name-changing because you’re embarrassed to be associated with what you’ve posted here is perfectly understandable.

@noblegiraffe

Hi even more Us4Themers. How does it feel that secondary school kids are the most infected subset of the population and more than half a million kids and counting are trapped at home because of the lack of mitigation measures in schools that you campaigned for?

Again, stop preaching about something you know fuck all about.

Why are you so interested in them noble? For an incredibly busy teacher working 60 hours a week or whatever you've got a lot of time to read about what us for them want, haven't you?

Again, stop preaching about something you know fuck all about.
If it's about u4t:
They/you have a website that provides a window into what you are preaching about. THUS it can be concluded that whoever from wherever around the world who have seen that will know a fuck about it.
So why are you actually saying that noble doesn't know?

My secondary school aged DD happily wears a face mask in one of her lessons because her teacher has a vulnerable child. The head and all pupils are happy with that, there is a reason for it.

Interesting. What is the reason for the masks in that situation?

Is it to prevent transmission to the teacher, so they don't take it home to their vulnerable child?

Because if yes, surely you're saying that wearing a mask in this situation may reduce the chance of the teacher contracting Covid?

Why isn't it good enough to just prevent (or reduce) transmission to the teacher so they don't get ill themselves?

@TheSunIsStillShining

Again, stop preaching about something you know fuck all about. If it's about u4t: They/you have a website that provides a window into what you are preaching about. THUS it can be concluded that whoever from wherever around the world who have seen that will know a fuck about it. So why are you actually saying that noble doesn't know?

I'm pretty sure their website doesn't say they're covid deniers does it?

@Musicaldilemma

Plenty of scientists part of UsForThem too, definitely not all crazy. *@TheSunisstillshining*- I don’t get why very vulnerable teachers in my children’s schools are in fact working from home, some vulnerable ones are wearing masks/so are their pupils - all after discussions with their head teachers, yet you are not? Sounds like you have a specific work place problem rather than it being an all schools issue. It is normal to inform your boss/HR of any medical conditions.

Only CEV staff can work from home during lockdown. Prior to lockdown they were expected to be in school.

CV staff are expected in all the time, including during lockdown.

Same goes for CEV and CV children too.

Again, stop preaching about something you know fuck all about.

God if only they hadn’t been on here for months spouting their shit, or all over twitter, or front pages of newspapers, or Facebook groups.

Or are you suggesting that despite all that, it’s impossible for me to have any idea what they’re like?