December 2nd....thoughts?

[randomer]

What do you think will happen on December 2nd? back to the tiers or something else?

@3littlewords DH and I are secondary teachers. We'd be delighted. We could see our DC in his care home and maybe even bring him home. Such a selfish fucker I am.

@monkeytennis97 " selfish fucker" are your words not mine don't assume your thoughts came out of my mouth.

Yup they are my words. It's how I'm made to feel. I don't want to party, just want to see my DC. Whatever.

@monkeytennis97 just to be clear if schools need to close because cases are too high then of course I'd support it but to close for purely social measures seems bonkers too me and I'm surprised taking your own personal circumstances aside and looking at it from a wider perspective you don't see that.

Actually it’s not bonkers. The amount of parents who refused to test or SI because of half term was bonkers. With rising cases, no one will really isolate. It won’t happen in reality because it didn’t in October, people will not isolate over Christmas and the holidays. The government know it and would be foolish not to plan for it. Better the schools close a week early rather than everyone ignoring testing and SI and gathering because they will.

@3littlewords Six people is hardly a party. Im child free by choice and would like to see my mum at Christmas. Shes 84 and hasnt got long left. Perhaps you should be a bit more mindful of the fact that there are many without kids doing lockdown in tiny flats (and this lockdown is at least in part to enable kids to stay in school)

People with no children have spent decades...............

a. being told they are entitled to less benefits when unemloyed because they dont have kids.
b. being told they are not entitled to decent housing because they dont have kids (ive actually heard people say that its terrible how families are having to live in shipping containers but its ok for single people and those without children)
c. People without kids being told/made to work the shitty shifts over Christmas, e,g, Christmas Eve, Boxing Day, etc, There are threads about it on here going back years.

Im NOT saying all parents are like this...................but it does happen a lot. So some of those without children may well say No. Enough. A step too far. And i can see its already reverting back to type before this pandemic is even over.

Nope. Sorry, been teaching for decades. Last two weeks are usually wind down time anyway.
Family and health before Christmas busywork 'education' always.

May as well close the NHS and emergency services down for weeks also then so they can enjoy a mixed family Christmas too then whilst we are at it

Here comes the emotional blackmail.

Tax take pays for the NHS. Even if shops are allowed to open on the 2nd people will not spend on family events that wont happen. Places will go bust. So what do you think happens with the NHS then?

the government know it and be foolish not to plan for it

@Itisasecret Seriously have you just typed them words and actually believed it! The government knew a lot of things about schools pre September and were foolish not to plan for any of it as the thousands of previous school threads show

I think Boris will announce an extension of the current lockdown until 9th December but with all retail open from 3rd Dec.

Early in the week of 7th Dec he will say secondary schools will close to all but vulnerable / keyworker children on 11th Dec with remote learning for final week of term.

Hospitality will reopen on Thursday 10th Dec.

After Christmas (Monday 30th) we will back to rule of 6 / tiers. No hospitality open until Thurs 7th Jan, or possibly another lockdown like the current one but with all retail open.

Having just been to London where it was really busy despite shops being shut it doesn't at all feel like we are in lockdown. I think they open shops at least. With precautions it's very low risk.

I've been working a few days a week in London (near the city) and it's like a ghost town.the other day I got a train (admittedly off peak) and there were less than 10 people on an 8 carriage train when it arrived in London

Hairdressers have spent £££££ on PPE. Closing them was just tokenism.

As a 6th form teacher I genuinely hope schools don't close. We have all of our year 12 and 13 mocks the last 2 weeks in December, and some actual final assessment exams. Given what happened last year to Yr 13, we genuinely need these results in case exams are adapted next year.

Also, the students who are already revising solidly out of worry and fear about their final exams would no doubt rather sit their mocks (they didn't get the chance to sit their AS levels) than arbitrarily have their schools close two weeks early 🤷‍♀️

By last two weeks in December, I mean the last two weeks of term.
Mocks start the first week of December and run right up until the last day of term on the 18th

I think shops, pubs, restaurants open to make some money before Christmas but no mixing of households in any location. I think mixing with one other household Neill be allowed over the Christmas period (which they will have to specify).

Selfishly I don't want schools to close for longer as my primary class has already missed nearly 4 weeks due to Covid isolation this term. I have resigned myself to far fewer Christmas fun activities this year than normal though, because of all the time we've already missed which is very sad because I teach a KS1 class.

I doubt very much that schools will close.
Terrible headlines and all that.

Well, It's DH's birthday on the 2nd but I doubt we will be going to the pub but hopefully he will be able to go into his outdoors type shops again.

@Hairbrush123

I personally believe lockdown will continue into January 2021, until the vaccine is available for distribution. Once the government start the vaccination programme - the country will have a different system and restrictions will start to lift slowly.

I'm no longer complying with all these stupid rules. I shall continue to see who I want to see. Am putting my mental health first. I can't cope anymore, I'm on antidepressants and have come close to attempting suicide on several occasions.

Well if shops open and im told i cant see family i will be spending...............ZILCH!!!

Shops open again 3rd December.

Pubs and restaurants open a week or two later.

Schools closed for 3-4 weeks between mid Dec and early Jan.

Restrictions eased completely from Christmas Eve to NY Day with the warning 'be careful'. Everyone spends the entire Christmas period as if covid doesn't exist.

Huge spike in cases early January, back to full lockdown and sad face stories in the tabloids in late January about families with multiple bereavements because they had mass gatherings at Christmas 'because they were allowed to'.

@BarbaraofSeville, God sad faces in the tabloids and don't forget those scantily cald revellers.

" One lady has her pants on her head, her friend is carried away by a young man"

@WhentheDealGoesDown

Well, It's DH's birthday on the 2nd but I doubt we will be going to the pub but hopefully he will be able to go into his outdoors type shops again.

I hate to say it but the second is actually the last day of restrictions at present. Any changes if they do happen are on the 3rd. Sorry

I personally think that they should have shut the senior schools and universities.
I just hope that the government don't open everything up on 3rd Dec for us to go into
lockdown in January as I don't think everyone would adhere to a 3rd.