Data and analysis thread, started 12 November

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Regular lurker but I frequent poster, didn't want to lose the threads.

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From the end of last thread...

Are universities doing their weekly testing on a Monday?

The university of Nottingham are publishing daily figures, not weekly:

www.nottingham.ac.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-active-case-statistics.aspx

Thanks for the new thread

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-another-33-470-coronavirus-cases-the-highest-daily-figure-to-date-12130940

Big jump in the number of cases today.

Thank you!

A good graph from RP showing the downward trend in Liverpool with tier 3 and mass testing dates shown

563 deaths today, not much less than yesterday

Can I ask, are there figures anywhere for how many people have actually died of other causes within 28 days of a positive test?

I just want to be able to refute the deniers! I'm sure the figure is a drop in the ocean compared to the 50,000+, but would like to be able to quote it!

Or is it tricky because how do you know if Covid caused the (eg) heart attack or not?

I think if they die within 28 days of a covid positive then they are counted in the numbers. I had an older relative with end stage cancer who died in the first wave. He caught covid in hospital but his death certificate said covid, no mention of the cancer.

@Augustbreeze You can look at the numbers who have Covid listed on their death certificate as the cause of death. I think it's 60,000 plus - so actually higher than the numbers dying within 28 days of a test (mainly due to lack of testing early on in the spring, and to a lesser degree people dying from Covid after more than 28 days). It's published by ONS.

Thanks for the new thread.

Yes sorry I didn't mean within 28 days did I (doh!)

Thanks @Firefliess. However the 60,000+ is those with Covid as one of the causes of death, isn't it?

I want to find out how many got "run over by a bus" (or whatever) within 28 days of a positive test so it was counted as a Covid death. Yes, that's what I should have asked in the first place, apologies!

@Augustbreeze

From ONS -
" • Of the deaths registered in Week 44, 1,379 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 12.7% of all deaths in England and Wales; this is an increase of 401 deaths compared with Week 43 (when there were 978 deaths involving COVID-19, accounting for 9.1% of all deaths).

•	Of the 1,379 deaths that involved COVID-19, 1,196 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (86.7%"

BigChoc says Hi
but is having much too much fun in her real world to be back in a hurry

Look, I made a prison for @AnyFucker's .

@FATEdestiny - thanks, good to know. Shame it isn't that.

Gosh look what Zoe are doing:

covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-school-communities?utm_source=App

Schools can register as a school, upload what bubbles they have, then parents input symptoms for children and Zoe collates it all and reports to school (who in turn can report to parents).

Schools data may become available, at least to schools. I wonder what the DfE thinks!

What a great idea, I wonder how many will take it up. I think I'm going to email DD's school to suggest it

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Great idea about Zoe. Unfortunately I suspect the schools that need it the most won't get the parental participation.

Glad bigchoc is well and enjoying the great outdoors lots.

I want BigChoc to come back here.

Signing in with RP131's slide showing where the deaths come from, 317 from NHS England, 152 from PHE and 45. 34 and 15 from Scotland , Wales and NI.

This is the second time the guardian have queried the validity of the lateral flow tests.

If used on asymptomatic people I suppose it's better than nothing and will find more cases than only testing with symptoms.

But it's possibly not the holy grail it's claimed to be?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/13/covid-test-for-mass-uk-screening-could-miss-up-to-half-of-cases-say-scientists?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Maybe they forgot they did an article already? Or were disappointed the other papers didn't see it as such a big deal, so trying again?

It was previously linked to reports about councils being offered the tests to use how they wished. They apparently are best done by hcp.