Has Covid-19 made you realise just how inherently selfish so many people are?

[Nicknamegoeshere]

It has me.
The world is a mess and most people only really care about themselves and their families.
Fed up to the back teeth of people trying to justify why they can't possibly do X, Y, and or Z.
Just be honest and say "Because I don't really care about passing this virus on, I'm not bothered about those more vulnerable than myself."

Yup. I’m really angry. I work in a school and was working with a child who was coughing a lot. We followed procedure and called for said child to be picked up. Said child and sibling both had bad coughs. Now parents have tested + but kids were -. Kicker is parents are medics. Now I wait to see my fate after being coughed on. The amount of parents who send kids in with symptoms or when family members are symptomatic is crazy. We have Clinically vulnerable in our school too but hey ho, babysitting service ahoy.

I've been following lockdown rules even though I'm below 40 and my family is low risk.

But you're delusional if you think I care more about Barbara and Ronald who live 4 streets away than I do about my own family and if that makes me a selfish fucker then so be it 🤷🏼‍♀️.

Don't half read some shit on here these days, fucking hell.

It has me too although I think a lot of it is about people being at breaking point and/or horribly confused by the government than selfishness. But yes, it’s shock me. As does the bullying and gaslighting by the government.

"Just be honest and say "Because I don't really care about passing this virus on, I'm not bothered about those more vulnerable than myself.""

But it's not that we don't care at all about other people, just that we care MORE about ourselves and if there comes a time when restrictions are affecting people's own wellbeings, they may choose to prioritise that over the wellbeing of others. It's the survival instinct. Most of us would choose ourselves over a stranger.

YES!!!!!

@disappointed101

Yup. I’m really angry. I work in a school and was working with a child who was coughing a lot. We followed procedure and called for said child to be picked up. Said child and sibling both had bad coughs. Now parents have tested + but kids were -. Kicker is parents are medics. Now I wait to see my fate after being coughed on. The amount of parents who send kids in with symptoms or when family members are symptomatic is crazy. We have Clinically vulnerable in our school too but hey ho, babysitting service ahoy.

Totally understand this.

Australia is on the brink of eliminating Covid. The Independent 5 days ago:

Victoria announced its eighth consecutive “doughnut” day – meaning no cases and no deaths.

Of course they're doing it sensibly - gradual relaxation. Things are far closer to normal than here. New South Wales will be opening it's border again to Victoria. Things are getting back to normal. Bar intentional sabotage.

There's a hell of lot more genuine suffering in the UK than Australia.

Our failed containment - over 50,000 official deaths (with the real figure estimated to be 60,000+), enough Long Covid cases (including organ damage) to need treatment clinics across the UK, and the economic damage.

The vast majority of Australians support their tough measures. My family (not in Melbourne) are now living normal lives.
As people are in NZ, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and many other places where effective containment measures have been taken. All have healthier economies too.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-coronavirus-victoria-melbourne-new-south-wales-b1667531.html%3famp

But you're delusional if you think I care more about Barbara and Ronald who live 4 streets away than I do about my own family

Of course you don’t. No one does. If they think they do, they’re deluded or kidding themselves. As a human race, prioritising our closest is what enabled us to survive.

Lockdown?
What lockdown?
It’s only businesses taking it seriously
Everyone else, is business as usual
Roads are up to usual capacity
The shops at retail parks are rammed
Takeaways doing roaring trade

Parks, country parks and beaches are all very busy
Haven’t been to a garden centre yet..might have a mooch tomorrow

After 10 consecutive days without any new coronavirus cases, many Victorians are starting to ask whether the state is close to eliminating the virus altogether.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12864776

Like I said earlier, their efforts have paid off - in time for a far more normal, relaxed, safe, and economically positive Christmas than we can dream about.

As people are in NZ, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and many other places where effective containment measures have been taken

Are you willing to ditch our data privacy laws in favour of South Korea’s? Genuine question.

And I’m not sure why you’re citing Japan. They threw out the Covid containment playbook. No lockdown. Minimal testing. No wfh. Dense living conditions. An older population. It’s a bit of a mystery as to why they’ve had such low figures so far (I expect we’ll find eventually that there was more immunity due to other CVs).

Personally I'd have been happy to do what South Korea did. As if the authorities don't already have loads of data on us - albeit not as much as most of us give to the likes of Google, Amazon, Apple, etc everyday.

Actually Japan is a very good example of a country using hindsight - and learning from initial mistakes. They fucked up but then turned things around. Having a culture where protecting others from your illness is considered basic courtesy helped, as did their excellent healthcare system - with early treatment.

Personally I'd have been happy to do what South Korea did

Would you?

Government having access to all your mobile phone data and bank transaction records?

Constantly monitoring CCTV footage to track people’s movements?

Giving the geolocation of anyone diagnosed with Covid (resulting in people being harassed in their own homes)?

Seriously?

Japan, in common with other countries who have successfully contained, put in place strict border restrictions. So that they don't reimport Covid. They've recently removed Australia from the banned entry list. Guess who's still on it?

They fucked up but then turned things around.

Not via any of recommended Covid containment strategies
though.

@TheKeatingFive

Personally I'd have been happy to do what South Korea did

Would you?

Government having access to all your mobile phone data and bank transaction records?

Constantly monitoring CCTV footage to track people’s movements?

Giving the geolocation of anyone diagnosed with Covid (resulting in people being harassed in their own homes)?

Seriously?

I'd be very surprised if they didn't have access to all of that already.

Google and other tech companies do. And they're private companies.

Have you seen them publishing geolocations of Covid cases? No of course you haven’t.

@TheKeatingFive

They fucked up but then turned things around.

Not via any of recommended Covid containment strategies
though.

Not true.

Restricted borders, masks, testing and tracing, prompt treatment.

And no they don’t have access to the rest because the EU has established strict data privacy laws.

Restricted borders, masks, testing and tracing, prompt treatment.

They have some of the lowest testing in the world.

Masks are hardly much use in themselves, just look at Spain and the Czech Republic.

The question is that I have mot found anyone blatantly saying they cannot care less in real life. But some bending of rules has been observed.
Some people online seem to come from a different planet.

Even if closing borders was viable for the UK (it wasn’t) they couldn’t do it anyway because of the terms of the GFA.

Here's Professor Sridhar on how we could learn lessons from East Asia and Africa.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/01/suppress-covid-england-lockdown-east-asian-african

She explains it well on twitter:

East Asia did 3 things:
1. Robust test/trace/isolate. Test results back within 24 hours, tracing above 80%, and supported isolation (financial, emotional, and in hotels).
2. Strict border control. Testing & quarantine at borders.
3. Strong guidance to public on avoiding virus.

@TheKeatingFive

Even if closing borders was viable for the UK (it wasn’t) they couldn’t do it anyway because of the terms of the GFA.

The Republic of Ireland currently has closed borders.