Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

To be honest, if you’d read some of the recent legislation giving rights to come and detain anyone they deemed necessary, at any place, or taken to any place, for public health officials, you’d be a bit worried.
But it’s all happened in reality, recently.
I signed up for all of the emails sent out by the government, in reference to all of the Covid legislation, and it was all there.

@BurningRose can you explain clearly what it is about the military being involved that worries you?

@BurningRose

I don't have free floating anxiety so I don't need any help. I have anxiety about trusting our government though! As do many of the population.

It's ok, I can guarantee Boris won't be doing injections!!

@BurningRose

My comment is not as odd as it seems. Some legislation was passed recently allowing non medical professionals to administer vaccines of needed.

Seriously we had weeks of this scaremongering nonsense when the consultation was in place.

It’s not a great skill to inject a vaccine. Non clinical people can do it and do within teams that include a prescriber.

But anyway the army are there to mainly support the logistics of setting up and supplying mass sites and local sites with vaccine, Ppe and stewardship

And the UK does not mandate vaccines. Uptake is lower where vaccine is mandated. Sorry to disappoint but voluntary means more people willing to get it

I dont care who gives it - they said vets might be able to which sounds great to me. It should be mandatory, and -OP- having had it does not necessarily give immunity

Of the three people at the press conference on Monday, I would put most trust in the Brigadir

@FreshFreesias

When has any vaccine EVER been made compulsory for a job?

How about vets? I bet they could do it, come to that farmers inject animals so they could do it. I reckon before long everyone will be able to do it.

I have had covid twice there is no heard immunity

But without the, you know, risk of choking to death, blood clots or lung fibrosis.

But with, you know, added risks of vaccine injury and side effects or messing with your dna.

As PP have said, the military is excellent at logistics. They always get brought in during national emergencies, it's part of their job. They already have medical staff who can quickly train others to give injections.

There is nothing inherently sinister or frightening about soldiers, they are really just another kind of civil servant most of the time (every soldier I know claims the job is 95% paperwork!). They are used to doing exactly as they are told and when a large, organized group of people is needed to perform a task, they fit the bill. Nobody will be forced to do anything at gunpoint. Guns will almost certainly never be involved unless it becomes necessary to guard the vaccine.

Put it this way- would you rather a soldier gave you a vaccination, or rely on Serco organizing it?

I have to do muscular injections to myself quite often

You can’t often mess them up to be honest.

@BurningRose

And your immunity will wane in a few months, it doesn't last.

No more than a vaccine immunity. People will need a covid 19 vaccine boosters too every year. Its honestly not a silver bullet.

FFS this is the first good news we've had all year. Just take your negativity and shove it.

Sorry but you've just made me really angry.

OP did you phone in on the Jeremy vine show earlier?

The British army are currently producing syringes that will fit in to the bayonet lugs on the armies rifle.
Obviously not true but if it was I would love for it to be administered by the SA80.

[quote Unsure33]@FreshFreesias

When has any vaccine EVER been made compulsory for a job?[/quote]
NHS staff find plenty are.

In some other countries (eg China) some vaccines are compulsory or else there are counties (eg Italy) that don’t allow children to attend school etc if they are not vaccinated. It’s not a route I believe we will go down but I appreciate some people’s anxiety can be overwhelming about this sort of thing).

Hi OP, one thing that's not clear, if this vaccine works by stopping you catching covid (like if you've had it recently), or if it still lets you catch covid, but means you have it asymptomatically, and so don't get sick and die of it. That matters a lot to those who can't /won't have the jab as everyone else having it doesn't make you any safer.

Also, this particular vaccine has issues around how it can be transported and stored (has to be refrigerated i think), so will take more logistics to get to those who need it than the normal flu jab.

Having seen this government's approach to tackling anything requiring planning, I am comforted by the news they are talking about the army sorting out how to get the vaccines round the country to those who need it, not someone with no relevant experience, but who's married to a Cabinet minister/was a keen supporter of brexit/went to the same school as Boris...

@BurningRose

Guys... Can you think clearly for a minute? If you think natural immunity fades that quickly, what magic ingredient in vaccines makes immunity last longer? It's mimicking the same process as if you catch the disease.

A vaccine means we know the ‘load’ a person has received, this means we can essentially quantify the average immune response, which enables us to determine the average time immunity will last for.

You are aware that for many vaccines (like this one) immunity is not permanent, so you have boosters, like flu, polio etc.

Vaccines don’t ‘mess with your DNA.’

If you don’t want it, don’t get it. Nobody’s going to make you, the military included

(bit worried about vets they might want to give injections - um - elsewhere )

The army will be awesome at sorting this out. Much better than the shit-show government. Can’t wait!!!

Oh I am just fed up now with all this hysteria and nonsense peddled on social media. I'm in Liverpool and yesterday on a local FB group some bell end shared a FB video from a total idiot, a self-proclaimed "thought leader" (Laurence Fox type). Half an hour of absolute drivel ramping up the anxiety levels of gullible and naiive parents watching, who were posting all along "Oh my God! This is unbelievable, I'm pulling my child out of school" etc etc.

It was about a similar thing. About how the military will be going into some schools to test children as part of the Liverpool pilot testing programme. (The adults I know who have volunteered at the test centres run by the military are incidentally extremely impressed with how well it's run and how polite and patient the staff are. Results back to their phone in half an hour - superb service, well done, military staff!) But the idea of them visiting schools, well, this apparently will traumatise them for life, seeing the military coming in. ( Let's ignore the fact that they often go into schools, to give careers talks)

At first I was sneering and laughing thinking "These people must have seen too many zombie films" if they're scared of a few soldiers behaving professionally and efficiently in an environment like a school with many other competent adults present.

But then I started to think about how widespread this type of hysteria has become and it just gets fucking depressing. The lack of intelligence, and the willingness to believe everything that some narcissistic arsehole is spouting on Fakebook and Twatter. There are too many David Icke figures on social media. Part of me wishes social media had never been invented if this is the result.

Look, OP, the reason why the military are involved is because all this needs extremely well-organised and well-trained manpower, without any faffing or endless meetings about meetings, and we just don't have that in the NHS as they're already too busy doing their day jobs. The reason the military are so good in their efficiency in situations like this is because their own life and that of their colleagues depends on everything running well in their military life. That's ALL. No conspiracy. No zombie movie. Get over it. The needless drama is getting right on my tits, but when people start removing their children from school because they can't get a grip, then it makes me doubly angry. These children's lives will be made a misery kept at home by anxious fanatics. Who is safeguarding these children? It's awful. THIS is what is causing the biggest issue of the whole pandemic - hysteria.

Get. A. Grip.

I'm not being funny OP but are you ok? I know covid ontop of everyday stresses isn't helping people

@BurningRose

Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.

You don't..

@BurningRose

And your immunity will wane in a few months, it doesn't last.

No more than a vaccine immunity. People will need a covid 19 vaccine boosters too every year. Its honestly not a silver bullet.

No one said it was

So what if it's an annual vaccination?