Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

@CorianderLord

People watch too many dystopian films

Are we not in a dystopian future though? Albeit not post apocalyptic but still. I read a lot of dystopian future and when this first hit and shelves were empty of food and people on mumsnet were freaking out about water being cut off! It’s really understandable why people are scared and think about this kind of thing whether there is any rationality to it or not.

@LastTrainEast ‘For example will be newborn babies. We can't vaccinate them yet and you want the right to walk around spreading the virus out of selfishness and stupidity.‘

But children won’t be having the vaccine? So although I won’t have the vaccine those ‘superspreaders’ will still be spreading it anyway. Besides I don’t have the flu vaccine either so would you blame me every time somebody dies from the flu each year?

@DianaT1969

I wish all the anti-vaxxers on here could be traced and added to a database. Put in a 'do not treat' list by the NHS. Out of curiosity, would that bother you? Do you think you should be allowed to spread diseases through society and still take up a hospital bed when you fancy one?

Once again, it is NOT anti-vaxxer to question having a new vaccine. It is informed consent. Apart from the flu, my kids have always had all the other vaccines but once I’ve weighed it all up and made an informed decision. That’s all that we should do and with this new one we haven’t had time yet. It’s not against vaccines obviously! There is a middle area, the one with logic and reason in it.

@cyclingmad

Thank you *@sophiegiroux* for what you said cos it those reason I'm not willing to rush to get the vaccine but being labelled selfish or anti vaxxer.

Look how many people on here don't even know the facts about the vaccine eveb the media are confused...does it provide long term immunity, now its saying it doesn't and you need regular boosters, then there are reports it doesn't stop transmission

So wtf does this vaccine do, how hard is it for the company to give a clear statement on it.

And by the way by the time any long term side effects are known tough luck they are immune from repercussions.

So there is nothing wrong if a person is being cautious about wanting to be injected with something that has been rushed through.

The hysteria on mumsnet against those choosing not to have the vaccine (yet) is astounding! It’s almost as loud as the conspiracy theorists saying the virus is fake.

I suspect that they although no one will pin you down an inject you against your will
If you chose not to have it certain jobs won’t be able to employ you as their insurance would be invalid or there may be limitations on travel
Mandatory by the back door

[quote BungleandGeorge]@RoseAndRose Human Medicines regulation 2012.
limited classes of HCP can administer under PGD currently . If prescribed this would need to be done for each individual patient by a Dr or nurse/ pharmacist independent prescriber. That’s not going to happen for mass immunisations. A patient giving themselves an injection which has been prescribed for them is a different situation to a HCP giving it to them.[/quote]
@BungleandGeorge I've looked at the Act and can't find the section you mean - it seems to be all about licensing and supply, not actually giving the jab.

Could you point me to the right part?

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/1916/contents/made

@BurningRose

My comment is not as odd as it seems. Some legislation was passed recently allowing non medical professionals to administer vaccines of needed.

That's true for loads of stuff. Many people administer their own injections all the time, such as diabetics and people taking fertility medication.

You're being over-dramatic

@lunar1

It's not going to be mandatory to have it, but I honestly think life choices will be restricted for people who don't. I think certain countries will make it compulsory for entry unless medically exempt, same for mass gatherings.

I really wouldn't worry about the army administering it, it's really not difficult to learn to give an injection safely. They work in positions of responsibility and trust, they are highly trained and adaptable.

Agree with this - it won’t be mandatory but restrictions will be in place for those who don’t.

What a shocking thread, not because of the OP but becuse of how this OP has been spoken to a treated. Surely everyone has a right to have a different opinion without being shot down and taken the piss out off. What a nest of vipers you all are.

The military includes a vast number of people with medical training.

Plus a vast amount of the work needed to deliver vaccines on the scale and timeframes needed are administrative and logistical not medical.

The military is a very flexible resource. most of the time there isn't a war needing to be fought and pointing guns at people to force obedience isn't actually a particularly desirable or effective activity, but the people are trained to obey orders, learn new skills quickly and do whatever needs doing. It makes perfect sense to mobilise them for this.

Anti-vaxxers meanwhile have mobilised to stir up fear and anxiety for no rational reason in a way that will prolong the pandemic and keep things miserable for longer if they are listened to.

@whymewhyme

What a shocking thread, not because of the OP but becuse of how this OP has been spoken to a treated. Surely everyone has a right to have a different opinion without being shot down and taken the piss out off. What a nest of vipers you all are.

Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but not to their own facts. The OP is spreading misinformation and appears to be posting in bad faith.

@whymewhyme

What a shocking thread, not because of the OP but becuse of how this OP has been spoken to a treated. Surely everyone has a right to have a different opinion without being shot down and taken the piss out off. What a nest of vipers you all are.

I agree. To be ridiculed and called an anti-Vaxxer and conspiracy theorist for asking questions and sharing concerns is uncalled for.

Remember at the beginning when people on mumsnet were worried about covid becoming a pandemic and supermarkets running out of food and people were laughing at them and saying they
were being hysterical?

@KihoBebiluPute

The military includes a vast number of people with medical training.

Plus a vast amount of the work needed to deliver vaccines on the scale and timeframes needed are administrative and logistical not medical.

The military is a very flexible resource. most of the time there isn't a war needing to be fought and pointing guns at people to force obedience isn't actually a particularly desirable or effective activity, but the people are trained to obey orders, learn new skills quickly and do whatever needs doing. It makes perfect sense to mobilise them for this.

Anti-vaxxers meanwhile have mobilised to stir up fear and anxiety for no rational reason in a way that will prolong the pandemic and keep things miserable for longer if they are listened to.

It is completely rational to question a brand new drug that hasn’t been tested on unhealthy people or people who have already had covid, especially as those are groups of people who are being given the vaccine first.

It is irrational to take a vaccine without researching it first and asking questions, especially if you are young and healthy.

limited classes of HCP can administer under PGD currently . If prescribed this would need to be done for each individual patient by a Dr or nurse/ pharmacist independent prescriber. That’s not going to happen for mass immunisations.

That’s exactly how it happens for mass immunisations. PGDs are used for most vaccines given to groups - I give all baby immunisations, travel vaccines, flu vaccine, pneumonia vaccine and HPV and meningitis vaccines by PGD.

It will be the same for any Covid vaccine - a PGD will be drawn up for the vaccine (whatever it will be) which will act as the prescription for the eligible populations. Only those that are eligible to administer a vaccine by that PGD and who have signed it can give it, and only those eligible to have the vaccine as stated within the PGD should receive it.

@IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls

No *@BurningRose* god no it wont be soldiers vaccinating !

It will be nurses ... i know cos iv signed up to be part of the vaccination team in my area .
I am sooooo excited about this.

When i got the email at work to say we getting vaccine ready it was literally the best news.

It won’t just be nurses. Registered HCPs will be supervising but the vaccinators in big centres may be suitably trained non-HCPs. I don’t perceive this to be a problem at all - just adding some facts.

I agree. To be ridiculed and called an anti-Vaxxer and conspiracy theorist for asking questions and sharing concerns is uncalled for

There does however come a point where the factual answers are repeatedly ignored, and then the tone of a thread is likely to change. Those who are genuinely interested will have found plenty of answers and links to follow.

Some will however persist in pushing inaccuracies and of course that is, at best, ridiculous and is potentially harmful

@BurningRose

Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.

No you don’t.

I have also had covid 19, and have done some reading up on it. From what I have read (and that’s the point, there is no definitive answer), it seems as though immunity might last for a couple/ few months but they are not sure it lasts forever.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss only registered nurses can give injections. Including vaccines.

[quote IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls]@WiseUpJanetWeiss only registered nurses can give injections. Including vaccines. [/quote]
No this is not true. Pharmacists can, for a start.

@Sheogorath

Why do people make stuff up? No, not only RNs can give jabs.

And the amendment to the Human Medicines Regulations set out the proposal to extend this:

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines#proposed-expansion-to-the-workforce-eligible-to-administer-vaccinations

There are some really mis informed people on here spouting absolute nonsense.

Seriously if you want to cast doubt on a vaccine at least read about the vaccines and the mhra in great detail first .

Why do people make stuff up?

I think because they want it to be true. In this case so they can deplore it? Another thing that's being done differently and is to them unwelcome?

Any person can administer a jab, but somewhere (not too far) up the management chain is the responsible clinician who has authorised the person to administer and who carries the can for safety of that part of the delivery.