Not complying?

[FreedomIS]

... to these unjustifiable and catastrophic lockdowns? These panic induced destructive decisions caused by highly inaccurate hypothetical models?

Just to be clear. SAGE scared the weak Prime Minister into lockdown with a “reasonable worst case scenario” of 4,000 deaths daily.

Yet the highest daily deaths recorded was 2,000 daily in the US in April for a short period.

How did SAGE arrive at 4,000?

And people believe this?

@TheSeedsOfADream

Sweden virtually carried out state eugenics if you read what happened there. And having watched my own mother's funeral via webcast (she died from dementia) you can save your preaching for others.

Yes, there are people supporting Sweden's approach. Sadly, they are deluded. The Swedish govt itself accepts that their approach initially was at best flawed, at worst, suicidal.

Read the data threads.

Our govt did exactly the same with care homes. Yes, they admitted their initial approach with care home was flawed, not their overall approach with (the lack of) lockdown. In fact they said the opposite, that the countries who implemented lockdowns lost their minds.

@TheSeedsOfADream

"In the population as a whole, the impact of Sweden’s approach is unmistakable. More than 94,000 people have so far been diagnosed with COVID-19, and at least 5895 have died. The country has seen roughly 590 deaths per million—on par with 591 per million in the United States and 600 in Italy, but many times the 50 per million in Norway, 108 in Denmark, and 113 in Germany."

From the above article. Numbers. Not opinions.

I don't see your point here.

Yes, without a lockdown around 5000 died in Sweden. As you have said in post just above, most were in cares homes. So logic dictates that most of these lives would be saved not with locking down, but with handling care homes better.

It isn't my point.
It's fact. It's how many people X million died. Sweden is almost identical to the UK.
British vulnerable people were left to die, and released into unprotected care homes. The same thing happened in Sweden.

(I didn't mention care homes btw)

You seem very confused.
Maybe the OP can explain things to you.

@TheSeedsOfADream

Posters may also wish to do their own analysis and critical thinking regarding the Heneghan-Gupta-Sikora side of things.

Agree.

@FreedomIS "During the 2018 winter influenza season, surgeries were canceled and people died until the corridors. Around 64K people died that winter." not of flu they didn't. Stats are here:
www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathspereachregionenglandin2018

There's a direct comparison between flu deaths and Covid deaths here.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020

@TheSeedsOfADream

It isn't my point. It's fact. It's how many people X million died. Sweden is almost identical to the UK. British vulnerable people were left to die, and released into unprotected care homes. The same thing happened in Sweden.

And yet Sweden has still handled the pandemic miles better.

I wish there was some sort of conspiracy but the sad fact is that governments are venal and clueless. Sweden could be 'brave' enough to chart its own path because everyone knows that Sweden is a sensible, progressive, high-taxing state with very low levels of corruption. But for many countries, to go against lockdown would have been seen as to he pro-Trump, pro-Bolsonaro, pro-low regulation and economic libertarianism. And governments need to be popular in the short, not long, term. The next election is all that matters so of course short-term, Covid death statistics are far more important than longer term consequences. Added to that, whilst it is the case that economies will suffer, the personal livelihoods of both those making the decisions, and indeed of many of the rich and influential, won't.
And all of this is worsened by the appalling level of 'debate' due to social and MS media. What a shit show.