WHERE are people catching Covid?

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I don't mean where in the country, I mean what settings? I know they lie a lot about it not spreading in schools but is there any data about where they are at least purporting that it's spreading?

@LilMissRe

I find this very odd- surely you are more likely to catch the virus in a supermarket with all the touch points there? How is it more dangerous to meet one person you know for a coffee lets say, or dinner indoors but it's safer to be in an enclosed space like Aldi or Tesco where people you do not know touch everything? Are we taking mere exposure or viral load? Because it does not quite add up.

I think the scientists have said it's more about viral load than fleeting/brief contact. The more time you spent in close proximity to someone with it, the more "viral load" will be transmitted to you. The more you have, the more your body will struggle to fight it.

In our town it has been from pubs and gatherings at people's houses. There have been cases in schools but they've been isolated cases. The article shared earlier about the airborne transmission is fascinating and scary for me as I work in a small office with no air flow and no way of opening the windows. My colleague talks really loudly and is constantly talking on the phone. I don't fancy my chances if she gets it.

Baaaahhhhh ans Ariela, there has been some research in China that shows evidence that wearing glasses can offer some protection against Covid 19, but the sample sizes aren't big enough to be conclusive. Interesting though. What I want to know is, can Covid be spread by the exhaled vapour from people who vape?

www.sciencealert.com/does-wearing-glasses-protect-you-from-coronavirus-here-s-what-you-need-to-know

www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/well/live/does-wearing-glasses-protect-you-from-coronavirus.html

@JamminDoughnuts

care home residents die in the winter, normally of the flu, or other respiratory diseases, ie this year it is covid.

Oh, that’s ok then.

most people wash their hands on entering supermarkets. and wear a mask,
so that reduces the risk

@Ilovemypantry
it doesnt mean it is ok, it means it is to be expected that care home residents die more commonly in winter

Which is why it makes no sense to close hospitality/non essential shops/hairdressers/gyms...

When most cases happen in schools/universities and are staying open.

Absolute madness and just shows the 2nd lockdown is doomed to failure...

@Requinblanc

Which is why it makes no sense to close hospitality/non essential shops/hairdressers/gyms...

When most cases happen in schools/universities and are staying open.

Absolute madness and just shows the 2nd lockdown is doomed to failure...

Trouble is the graphs and statistics will be biased according to who they asked, why they asked, etc. Not everyone has been questioned, so for a start, it's not a representative sample. People are also likely to be economically with the truth if they've been breaking the rules/laws/guidance. It's easier to say you caught it on the bus than to be honest and say you caught it at a party attended by 20 others!

In my area it is concentrated around the university and food manufacturing plants where conditions are near perfect (cold, circulated air through AC units, no fresh air).

Dh is a teacher. He travels every day on the train to work to teach classes of students in unventilated rooms. Last weekend we went to a restaurant, the theatre & shopping.

Why??? Your husband is likely to spread it to other people!

Cases started rising in August before schools/unis went back

Schools went back in August in some parts of the UK

Holidays in Spain

@Fungster

Dh is a teacher. He travels every day on the train to work to teach classes of students in unventilated rooms. Last weekend we went to a restaurant, the theatre & shopping.

Why??? Your husband is likely to spread it to other people!

Bit difficult to spread it to other people with the strict social distancing & ventilation measures that were in place.

Between March and September we hardly left the house. Dh was very ill with shingles during August. We have two autistic kids and a mil with dementia. The theatre trip had been postponed from March.

It did our mental health wonders to just get out and the measures in place were fantastic.

@LilMissRe

I find this very odd- surely you are more likely to catch the virus in a supermarket with all the touch points there? How is it more dangerous to meet one person you know for a coffee lets say, or dinner indoors but it's safer to be in an enclosed space like Aldi or Tesco where people you do not know touch everything? Are we taking mere exposure or viral load? Because it does not quite add up.

At the moment I think it's believed that hardly any transmission has been driven by touch points (and if it was, it would still be a case of transferring particles through mucus membranes such as the eyes or cuts etc by touching the face). I think it's also less successful even if it is eaten (possibly not totally harmless but not like some other infections). It is respiratory and more of a risk in breathing in as it takes hold in the respiratory tract. Time, exposure, likelihood of circulation or aerosolization, and air quality, including its humidity, are all a lot more influential. www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2/fulltext

So it may be a bigger risk if you are meeting one person indoors (with normal domestic heating or ventilation) and spending longer with them, talking directly with them in an area much smaller than a supermarket, perhaps meeting them again a day or so later. Or, for example, going in a lift - small space, no air exchange, high traffic.

I'll tell you where it's happening OP .. BRISTOL !!! Where my brain inadequate son thought his right to go to a rave exceeded his social responsibility... where he proudly told me the media reporting of 700 was wildly underestimated.. he said closer to 2000

We have had 'words'

A

Until this week, I did not know of anyone who had caught the virus.
However, I recently heard of someone (and partner) who caught the virus and have now tested positive.
They do not live anywhere near me.
The one who appears to have caught it first, works as a teacher in a secondary school, so it seems likely this was where it was caught.

@BertieBotts thanks for that link

I definitely caught it in work, I haven't been anywhere else! I work with covid positive patients.

The pie charts at the start of this thread can't be right. They don't show private homes and we know that is a big source of transmission.

For that pie chart to be correct we would have to have a working track and trace system. Most people don’t know where they caught it.

Be interesting to see where we are at end of pub closure

The problem is that the stats are mostly produced from what people report.

Although I don't know that many people who've had Covid, my Social Media is full of people who 'definitely' caught it at the supermarket and it couldn't possibly have been from when they visited the house of a friend with a cough, went on an over-full bus, a crowded cafe, from a school, from an unwell child back from uni, etc, none of which they thought to mention to track and trace.

We know that what the Japanese say is true: you are most likely to catch it in a crowded, poorly ventilated indoor place where you are close to people, specially if you are there for over 15 minutes in total.

I most likely caught Covid in school (infants), probably from a symptom free child.

Hadn't had close contact with anyone else int he days before I got symptoms or tested positive, other than DH. DH had no symptoms and hadn't been with anyone who had Covid.

In a month we had 11 staff test positive and a number of parents. Have since had a couple of pupils test positive too. Staff are in bubbles and don't have close contact with one another or with parents. I certainly hadn't.

I know one of those members of staff thinks they got it from a family member, for another T&T suggested it was from a small local event with a couple of friends. I don't know about the rest.

@JamminDoughnuts

most people wash their hands on entering supermarkets. and wear a mask, so that reduces the risk

Do they? I don't know anyone washing their hands as they enter a supermarket. Have they installed sinks at the entrances in some areas? I know some have anti bac gels.