If it's OK for teachers to have to carry on working....

[jomartin281271]

If it's OK for teachers to have to carry on working, why isn't it OK for MPs to go back to Parliament and work no PPE and no social distancing? These MPs know how dangerous it is out there and there's no way they'll put themselves in danger, but they're quite happy to throw teachers under the bus. And by the way, I'm not a teacher, I'm an appalled parent.

I don't feel that every thing is being dove, and done well enough to ensure safety.
Unfortunately, Dr Jenny Harries seemed to think, no ppe was needed because All dc will be sitting in rows facing forward. So her models showed it was safe and there was little evidence that dc spread covid.

I don't know why the unions are not lasering in on things like this.

Going back was built on sand. Test and trace, failed, utter nonsense from the likes of jenny harries... Etc etc ect.

I'd simply like to see across board consensus.
1st, minimum 2, 3 weekend lock down for schools over half term. Opportunity pissed in the wind. Then natinal lock down.
Schools go back with regulation ventilation, no ifs or buts. Mandatory windows and doors open, or at hourly intervals for 10 mins each time.

Remove fines, any dp complain of cold let them keep their dc at home.

Try and get perspex screens up.
Drum into older dc to sd. They don't at all.

Have a public information video, compulsory to show about mask, air Bourne virus etc.
Make teachers aware and responsible for each others safety. If anyone in the staff room feels the cold, encourage, personal fan heaters, extra layers, even hot water bottles, because someone feeling cold, does not trump, someone's right to breath fresh air.

Possibly, blended learning for secondary students. 3 days in, 2 days working from home.

Primary absolutely drum into dp, no sharing of snacks and food after school!make them wait ten minutes before handing out bloody food!!

Schools go back with regulation ventilation, no ifs or buts. Mandatory windows and doors open, or at hourly intervals for 10 mins each time.

Many new builds don't have opening windows.

I teach infants. We don't wear masks as children need to hear and see us, especially our expressions. We worked all the way through first lockdown. I'm not complaining though. My closest friend is an A&E nurse and she does 6 hours of her 12 hour shifts with COVID patients. That is bloody hard work: looking after patients whilst sweating in PPE and plastic boiler type suits.

You don't move about in heaving corridors full of older children though do you?

@caringcarer

I have not read all of thread but someone said teachers are not valued. Morrisons value teachers they are offering all teachers 10 percent discount on shopping from early November until Xmas. All you have to do to get it is take school photo ID to checkout. I got email about it today and wanted to give teachers a shout out. You can't get discount for on line shop though.

Lots of people are going to continue going to work not just teachers. My son works in a factory and he will continue to work as long as people continue to need vehicle parts. They had to continue last lockdown as his factory supplies ambulance parts for NHS vehicles. My other son is a lorry driver and he needs to go to work to get food to hospitals and smaller good shops. DH is immunosuppressed and asthmatic he is lucky he can wfh. He had a letter and had to shelter last time. It is a worry as sons live at home with me and DH. All everyone can do is change clothing and shower after working every day. Keep washing hands. lorry driving son takes antibacterial wipes and hand gel for his lorry and wears his mask when unloading. Son who works in factory washes his hands every 2 hours, no longer has lunch in canteen with colleagues but instead stays in unit and eats packed lunch. It is surely up to each person to keep themselves as safe as possible. Keeping 1 metre apart, opening windows and wearing a mask when possible. Most teachers just get on with it but a few will just not go to work and not just ones with sheltering letter. I am not sure if there will be sheltering letters this time or not. Does anyone know?

Caring, whilst I feel for you and your DH, this isn't the same at all! We aren't allowed to wear PPE and we are in law contact with many more people compared to your sons. Your sons are providing an amazing service and deserve bloody recognition. Not denying that. But teachers just want some PPE and protection ☹️. You say your dh is shielding. Imagine he was the single parent and was being told he need ed to go to work as a teacher and not be allowed to wear a mask or ask others to wear one. This is my reality. I'm happy to do my job. More than happy-it's my life and I love my job. Protect me and others. Don't we deserve that?

In Scotland, teachers in Tier 3 have to wear masks when not teaching. Older children have to wear masks at all times.

Once more for those at the back.

Teachers in England are not permitted to wear masks in the classroom

In France, teachers now have to move between classrooms, and pupils stay put.

[quote BlackPetunia]@Ignoringequally fabulous, you comply and wear a mask! and it stops there......because the teachers then take over from you and are not allowed to wear masks

oh, the irony!![/quote]
I wear a mask because I’m asked to.
One of my DD’s teachers wears a mask because he wants to. The other doesn’t, because she doesn’t.
I’m not sure what your point is.

@WhyNotMe40

Once more for those at the back.

Teachers in England are not permitted to wear masks in the classroom

I'll repeat that and add a bit more.

Teachers in England ARE NOT PERMITTED TO WEAR MASKS IN CLASS.

Clinically and extremely vulnerable teachers are expected to go into work.
With no protection.
With the children NOT WEARING MASKS EITHER

Spot the problem?

@WhyNotMe40

Once more for those at the back.

Teachers in England are not permitted to wear masks in the classroom

One of my DD’s teachers wears one in the classroom. Primary. No one has complained.

It is the 15 to 18 year olds where there is a massive spike in coronovirus.

EVERYONE is at risk if it spreads outside into the community.

Most schools will not allow this as the governmental guidance specifically states they are not allowed/advised in the classroom as they can be detrimental to teaching.

Some schools are letting teachers wear masks. It's a lottery dependant on your heads personal views.

Teachers in England are not permitted to wear masks in the classroom

I do think it is criminal negligence that they have not overturned the prohibition on this.

And the kids won't - even if they want to - while the adults aren't. (most of them anyway).

The anti- mask nonsense in this country is ridiculous. Spain, France, part of the USA, all have kids wearing masks from the age of 6. If their kids can manage it, why are our kids so inferior?

England here - my dc's teachers - some wear masks and some don't. All the children wear masks moving from one class to another. Windows have been open and coats worn as circulating air is important with covid.

Go and work in Tescos then then and see how they manage to adapt so you can get your groceries on the way home from work.

My school currently does not permit either students (secondary) or staff to wear masks. Anywhere.

@1stV45

How many times? It's about reducing overall contact, so if people who can wfh do so, the risk is reduced for everyone.

I'm a teacher too and I'm really sick of hearing this now. If you don't think your role is important enough to carry on, go and do something else.

Thank you

just that

Thank you

the governmental guidance specifically states they are not allowed/advised in the classroom as they can be detrimental to teaching

Is there actually any evidence for this - as so many other countries obviously don't believe it to be true.

Perhaps those countries have actually done proper risk assessments and considered which is more detrimental to education and child mental health: Teachers (and children) wearing masks OR uncontrolled spread of covid in schools resulting in frequent isolation and increased teacher absence (and huge disruption)?

Go and work in Tescos then then and see how they manage to adapt so you can get your groceries on the way home from work.

WTF

My school currently does not permit either students (secondary) or staff to wear masks. Anywhere.

That's pretty disgusting.

• Can MPs work from home? Yes. Can teachers work from home? Not unless school goes 100% online. Can bus drivers work from home? No. Can supermarket staff work from home? No. Can delivery drivers work from home? No. See where I'm going with this OP? Lots of people work among the general public without PPE.*

Bus drivers are behind a screen, they are only briefly near a passenger. Passengers and driver should be wearing masks.

Supermarket staff can wear masks or be behind a screen if on a till. Able to physically distance. Only very brief contact with a customer.

Delivery staff. Out in the open. No contact at all with customer. Able to wear masks if they choose.

Teachers. Unable to socially distance. Prolonged very close contact with many others, over crowded, poorly ventilated spaces, lots of physical contact, performing first aid, personal care with children who often out fingers in mouths/noses. No PPE or masks allowed.

Heads, parents, everyone should care about basic measures of protection to help stem the spread.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz

My school currently does not permit either students (secondary) or staff to wear masks. Anywhere.

That's pretty disgusting.

But that is the DfE guidance unless you are tier 3.