To think schools should be shut during lockdown.

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So shutting down everything but keeping schools open.AIBU to think that a lockdown should involve schools closing as well.Have been about six cases in my dds secondary zero social distancing and is just defeating the object of a lockdown as it has now been proven that schools,colleges etc can easily spread the virus.

NO
And I work in one, it's stressful and freezing but NO!!!!

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii

I’m not throwing a strop about anything but you can’t possibly know everything about every area either. You’re just being obtuse now claiming that every area must be the same

I never claimed everywhere was the same. You're claiming you know everything because you live in the countryside where everyone knows everything about everyone all of the time. Rural schools still have to abide by confidentiality laws whether you like/believe it or not.

Individual schools should be shut for a limited period if there is a significant outbreak within the school and it is not safe for children and teachers to be there.

Otherwise, children should continue to go to school, because education is incredibly important.

A blanket closure of all schools will disadvantage many for the benefit of very few. The impact on the economy would be enormous in addition to the loss of education to a whole generation of children.

We should all be going to school and work, unless we work in one of the industries specifically shut. Those industries are "non-essential" on a societal level. Education is essential on a societal level.

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii

And confidentiality in a village really? Not in any village I’ve ever lived in. I had a message before the October break about a case in a secondary school my kids don’t even go to, explain that?

Of course you did sweetheart.

@SuitedandBooted how lovely that must be in your naice bubble.

I work in a huge state comprehensive secondary school. We have had huge numbers of cases amongst staff AND students. For the whole of last term we had several kids per ‘bubble’ off every day. The first confirmed case happened half way through the second week of term. After that we had around 300 students isolating after being in close contact with a case. We are in a rural area but many of the parents commute into London. So nothing will change for us, because students will still be in school and parents will still be working.

Secondaries should close - in those of us with years 7-13 the vast majority of our students are adults!

@Nameandgamechange123 exactly. Not to mention it is going to be hard enough for them to get jobs with automation etc. It is them that will be paying for all of this, so shouldn’t we be giving them the best chances in life?

@nickynacky really? thats what you think.......you would rather see your kids teacher die than lose a months pay?

[quote BurningMam]@BlackPetunia And their own children - children die from Covid too. All this "it doesn't effect kids", it doesn't effect kids AS BADLY. It still makes them ill, still gives them life long conditions and still kills them.[/quote]
Can you give us some stats for that please? Children die from chicken pox, flu, and other childhood diseases in case you'd forgotten about that.

Everyone worried about their child's grades are somewhat funny because last year's students got the best grades on record - exam boards unfairly screw over students more than any virus ever could.

I am a TA in a secondary school and I am close to 60 so a little bit worried but absolutely belief schools should remain open. I think it is essential though, if this second lockdown is to work, that staff work really hard in and out of the classroom to keep kids socially distanced on corridors, sanitising and washing their hands frequently, wipe desks, spend social times outside, wear masks etc. I have seen in the pupils that some have really struggled to learn at home, have been lonely and scared in their own homes and lost the protection that school provides. The children have been in school for little more than six weeks in seven months- they deserve better from this government

BlackPetunia Yes, that’s clearly what I said🙄

@BurningMam we get a letter emailed to us whenever there is a case. It goes to every year - all seventeen of them as the school covers ages 1-18. There’s an additional letter sent to the parents of children in the affected class who have to isolate.

@Imakemistakeseveryday

I am a TA in a secondary school and I am close to 60 so a little bit worried but absolutely belief schools should remain open. I think it is essential though, if this second lockdown is to work, that staff work really hard in and out of the classroom to keep kids socially distanced on corridors, sanitising and washing their hands frequently, wipe desks, spend social times outside, wear masks etc. I have seen in the pupils that some have really struggled to learn at home, have been lonely and scared in their own homes and lost the protection that school provides. The children have been in school for little more than six weeks in seven months- they deserve better from this government

If you're a TA, I'm genuinely curious to know how you could ever think your suggestions are remotely possible.

Seeing as spread in universities and secondary schools is significant, universities should go remote, secondaries blended and primaries open as usual. Secondary and college children more able to cope with remote/blended learning with less of an impact to their education than primary.

Also parents of primary children can still go to work, whilst children >14 can cope with staying home whilst parents work

@Nicknacky

BlackPetunia I’m going to be really harsh here but I’m not giving up my career because of my kids teacher and their family. It’s their choice to continue in teaching.

what do your kids think about that?

[quote BunsyGirl]@BurningMam we get a letter emailed to us whenever there is a case. It goes to every year - all seventeen of them as the school covers ages 1-18. There’s an additional letter sent to the parents of children in the affected class who have to isolate.[/quote]
Ok. That doesn't mean it's the norm.

@Nicknacky

I would put money on those who want schools to close either don’t work or they or their partner work at home.

But wouldn’t this be worth exploring? Blended learning to reduce the number of contacts? Most schools cannot achieve social distancing, and if half the pupils were learning at home this would protect the children who need to be there. And the teachers, who appear to be expendable and for whom health and safety law appears not to apply.

@Nicknacky

BlackPetunia I’m going to be really harsh here but I’m not giving up my career because of my kids teacher and their family. It’s their choice to continue in teaching.

I'm going to be really harsh here, would you give up your career if your child were permanently disabled by Covid?!

I’m in Ireland and in our very large school there has been 2 cases.. I’m really surprised but maybe children give off less of a viral load . The evidence this week is pointing to a low transmission rate in school. They have been back 6 weeks and I thought it would be mass closures within a couple of weeks. There’s a lot of “our government is lying to us etc “ , maybe they are ? But all my family are teachers and report the same thing , very few cases and not massive clusters as predicted.
We’re actually in a situation where i work from home very flexibly and my dh works from home too so would be fine if our kids are at home but what exactly are plp like my sil and dh who works in a hospital supposed to do if the schools are closed all the time ? One of them works In icu but can’t if kids are off. What about all the kids in awful homes, it’s detrimental for so many children. Unless there is a huge surge coming from school settings then they need to stay open absolutely. If they close again for months then maybe they will stay closed and the whole system overhauled. I honestly can see this happening if the same thing happened here again , 6 months they were closed with online programs (two of which we already had ) were sent..
Online classes for hours a day don’t work for under 10’s effectively at all and using online literacy programs is ok.... not great tbh .
Are there lots of teachers dying in the Uk? (Genuinely don’t know the figures) , they aren’t in this country. Are the clusters originating in schools there?

BlackPetunia You seriously expect me to give up my career so the schools can close?

We get told every time there's a case in school. Blanket text to all parents. Then the parents of the kids who have to isolate get a second text detailing the isolation etc.

@ShandlersWig

Both DH and I have to work outside the home. What would we do with them for 4 weeks!

If you cant look after your children for 4wks it begs the question, why did you have them?
FFS!
Total and utter disbelief!

BurningMan Get a grip. You clearly are terrified of Covid.

The issue with closing schools is that you will never get them open again. There are huge negative effects of DC not being in school- clearly a week or two would not be hugely significant but the unions would not allow that.

The unions are already kicking off now. There’s no way you’d get teachers back in school after say a 2 week closure. They’d end up shut for 3 months.

I'm going to be really harsh here, would you give up your career if your child were permanently disabled by Covid?!

I mean if you were made permenantly disabled you'd be entitled to benefits to enable you to live. Quitting your job because schools are shut entitles you to sweet fuck all. V different.