To think schools should be shut during lockdown.

[Ilovegreentomatoes]

So shutting down everything but keeping schools open.AIBU to think that a lockdown should involve schools closing as well.Have been about six cases in my dds secondary zero social distancing and is just defeating the object of a lockdown as it has now been proven that schools,colleges etc can easily spread the virus.

@Ecosse

To be frank ‘Long COVID’ is not sufficient reason to devastate the economy and DC’s futures and mental health by closing schools.

It does not exist. A small number of patients suffer after effects, but this is no different to any other virus. The vast, vast majority will have no symptoms after 6 weeks.

I know 9 people who have had Covid. Out of these - Three recovered in a few weeks and are fine. One had no sense of taste and smell for some time and it has not fully returned . One has permanent heart damage . Two recovered but months later is still struggling with fatigue. One had brain damage. One died. All of these people were working, all under 60. The one with heart damage is 49, one with fatigue Is mid forties, the other 20. So I may know a particularly unlucky cohort, but in my experience long covid very much is a thing.

Absolutely not.

I have a DD in reception and half term has been bad enough with having absolutely nothing to do and nowhere to take her (we're in a tier 3 area.)

She desperately needs school. She needs the socialisation with her friends, the routine, the teachers, the activities.. It's not something I could replicate with homeschooling.

But if it's easier to call me names

I did not call you a name, ThreeImaginaryBoys

@EerieArmOff

Absolutely not.

I have a DD in reception and half term has been bad enough with having absolutely nothing to do and nowhere to take her (we're in a tier 3 area.)

She desperately needs school. She needs the socialisation with her friends, the routine, the teachers, the activities.. It's not something I could replicate with homeschooling.

In the same situation and completely agree with you. He is a changed child in school. He loves learning, adores his friends, I cannot replicate this at home (he was recently home for two weeks home learning due to covid and he would not engage with Zoom).

@SirVixofVixHall that’s awful. Where about a are you? I know only of uni students who had it because of my DD. Don’t know any other person and both my DH and I are working (key workers).

My dc has also been stuck alone at home over half term as the rules here don't allow any socialising. They are desperate to go back to school!

Schools have to stay open. Mothers in this country are already expected to work as if they don't have children, and raise their children as if they don't work. It's hard enough without schools and childcare settings closing, workloads are heavier than ever with employers trying to make up for lost ground earlier in the year and their tolerance for mothers juggling kids on conference calls has gone. I thank my lucky stars my kids are too young to need proper homeschooling but trying to control a bored toddler whilst working is impossible.

I do feel very sorry for teachers but I'm afraid they are essential workers along with the medical profession, delivery drivers, etc. They don't get to hide away at home, why should teachers?

But I do agree that teachers should be able to wear PPE if they wish.

I do feel very sorry for teachers but I'm afraid they are essential workers along with the medical profession, delivery drivers, etc. They don't get to hide away at home, why should teachers?

They never hid away. They were teaching from home using equipment they paid for out their own pockets for the most part. Others were on rotas staffing schools for key workers' children.

I do feel very sorry for teachers but I'm afraid they are essential workers along with the medical profession, delivery drivers, etc. They don't get to hide away at home, why should teachers?

The flaw with this position is it doesn't recognise that teachers have no distancing at all. Delivery drivers had changes e.g. they drive alone and didn't bring the shopping in your home, plus PPE/extra cleaning.

I understand the concerns of working parents (I am one!!!!) but teachers have been hung out to dry imo.

If there was distancing in schools I would agree teachers were comparable to other essential workers.

I don't believe medical jobs are comparable to any non-medical job. I wouldn't even put e.g. routine dentistry/chiropody/osteopathy etc. in the same category as hospital staff.

I do feel very sorry for teachers but I'm afraid they are essential workers along with the medical profession, delivery drivers, etc. They don't get to hide away at home, why should teachers?

Except protection for all other key workers has been improved for all other keyworkers and for those at high risk of transmission like care workers and NHS workers weekly tests I troduced.

Teachers had all precautions removed e.g SD ppe etc and still no regular testing or extra measures have been brought in despite it now being obvious to everyone that transmission in schools is high (esp secondary) even ppe in corridors was only allowed in England after Scotland insisted on it.

Mothers in this country are already expected to work as if they don't have children, and raise their children as if they don't work

Also I was taught two wrongs don't make a right, the fact mothers are under impossible pressure does not justify our unsafe school arrangements.

So is it mainly teachers pushing for this?

So is it mainly teachers pushing for this?

No. They have no influence. Unfortunately.

No not mainly teachers at all, I am not a teacher, yes schools should definitely close

@Fawnfour

No not mainly teachers at all, I am not a teacher, yes schools should definitely close

So I’m assuming you have no children of school age or perhaps you home school then if you do?

So I’m assuming you have no children of school age or perhaps you home school then if you do?

Why do you imagine that all opinions are motivated by purely personal concerns?

I do have 3 children all school aged, we do not have the luxuries of being able to fully home school no.
But we can do remote Learning.
Covid is spreading like wildfire through schools.
We are having a lockdown, schools need to close to benefit from a full lockdown, nobody is saying indefinitely.

We are locking down to protect ourselves, others and the nhs, schools have to be a part of that.

schools have to be a part of that

Why though? No other European country has taken that view and it’s obvious from the data in ROI that schools don’t need to close for case numbers to significantly reduce.

We all would like them to stay open, including me, but this is not about what we all want, this is about what should be done to protect. Surely this is common sense, obviously I seem to be in the minority with this opinion

School bubbles are being sent home all the time, there have been schools that have closed because of this, of course it will reduce.
Of course schools need to be a part of it.

Why would education ministers, unions and local politicians be saying the same thing if it wasn't true?

@TheKeatingFive

schools have to be a part of that

Why though? No other European country has taken that view and it’s obvious from the data in ROI that schools don’t need to close for case numbers to significantly reduce.

Yes, exactly. If there’s no way to get cases down without closing schools then so be it, schools will have to close. But if there is a way to get cases down with schools still open, as it seems like there is, then why is it ‘common sense’ that they should close anyway?

Why would education ministers, unions and local politicians be saying the same thing if it wasn't true?

They’re definitely not all saying the same thing. Are you actually listening?