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To think schools should be shut during lockdown.

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Ilovegreentomatoes · 31/10/2020 19:53

So shutting down everything but keeping schools open.AIBU to think that a lockdown should involve schools closing as well.Have been about six cases in my dds secondary zero social distancing and is just defeating the object of a lockdown as it has now been proven that schools,colleges etc can easily spread the virus.

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Flaxmeadow · 01/11/2020 08:29

Oh do me a favour. I have repeatedly said this is with regards to secondary schools on multiple threads

Well excuse me for not reading all your posts and checking all the, many, teacher threads

I asked you a direct question. Do you want to strike. You answered me yes and with money being your reason

monkeytennis97 · 01/11/2020 08:30

@Flaxmeadow you really can't guilt trip me into the handwringing 'what about the children!!' If I didn't like kids I wouldn't do the job. I am a bloody good teacher but ultimately my safety and the health of my family is paramount.

monkeytennis97 · 01/11/2020 08:31

@Flaxmeadow well yes if we went on strike how I would afford it would be at the forefront of my mind for my own family.

Bollss · 01/11/2020 08:33

[quote monkeytennis97]@Flaxmeadow well yes if we went on strike how I would afford it would be at the forefront of my mind for my own family.[/quote]
But now how it would affect the children you teach?

Completmentfille · 01/11/2020 08:35

I don't WANT them to be shut but I can't personally see the point of locking down without shutting them.

Newdonewhugh · 01/11/2020 08:36

Why don’t u just keep your kids in your house. Do online shopping and not leave the house?

If you’re really scared, the solution is pretty simple isn’t it?

Flaxmeadow · 01/11/2020 08:37

I can't imagine strike action is going to make parents all of a sudden supportive of teachers. Quite the opposite I should think.

Yes
It would be the same reaction if others went on strike. Teachers who want strike action seem to be under the impression they are a cut above any other key worker

The police (who are not allowed to strike anyway but)
Health Care workers
Retail staff (who will have much more to lose financially than any others in the list, being low wagesd to begin with)
Social services

To be fair to teachers, I think the vast majority would rightly be horrified by any strike action during a pandemic. I have a close relative who is a social worker and I know she would too.

What we are seeing with calls for teacher strike action is political agitation pure and simple. No concern at all for children. I say that as a former shop steward

LolalovesLondon · 01/11/2020 08:40

Before anyone says it's not a teachers job to monitor child welfare issues in the home. Yes it is their job and it's a very important part of their job and always has been since the education acts of the late 19th century

Pastoral managers, welfare staff, child protection officers in school monitor child welfare issues in the home.
Teaching staff refer all concerns to these people. I would be disciplined if I started contacting home directly myself regarding welfare issues (secondary).
Schools have strict safeguarding guidelines.

Flaxmeadow · 01/11/2020 08:43

well yes if we went on strike how I would afford it would be at the forefront of my mind for my own family

How would anyone else?

You are calling for strike action during a pandemic. Not only that but strike action which would impact children directly, especially children at risk of abuse in the home. I have no sympathy for you at all. Sorry

Nellodee · 01/11/2020 08:44

What would be your advice for retail staff whose employers refused to give them masks or screens? Or health care workers whose employers refused to give them masks, aprons and gloves? Or social services who were expected to go into homes with no distancing or masks?

Nellodee · 01/11/2020 08:45

Police, fire and army I think are a little different - their jobs always have a much higher level of risk. I don't mean to say they are expendable, but I don't know how much of this risk is built into their contracts and terms and conditions.

LolalovesLondon · 01/11/2020 08:46

You are calling for strike action during a pandemic. Not only that but strike action which would impact children directly, especially children at risk of abuse in the home. I have no sympathy for you at all. Sorry

Who do you mean when you say ‘you’?
One poster, the NEU or all teachers?

Beautiful3 · 01/11/2020 08:46

No, I disagree.

Flaxmeadow · 01/11/2020 08:46

Who do you mean when you say ‘you’?
One poster, the NEU or all teachers?

The person I was replying to

Bollss · 01/11/2020 08:47

@Nellodee

What would be your advice for retail staff whose employers refused to give them masks or screens? Or health care workers whose employers refused to give them masks, aprons and gloves? Or social services who were expected to go into homes with no distancing or masks?
Deal with it, would be my advice. You know, like they did in march before they had any of that?
Nellodee · 01/11/2020 08:52

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mumsneedwine · 01/11/2020 08:52

Please list every other job where this is the current daily working conditions. I have to move between lessons too and will be in this crowd, 5 times a day. This is a stock photo from Scotland in August, but is also my reality. On stairs, in corridors, getting into and out of classrooms.
I don't wants schools to close, I want them to stay open, and to do this they need to be made safe. Otherwise they will all close because of staff sickness. It really isn't difficult to understand ???

To think schools should be shut during lockdown.
NorthGirl2 · 01/11/2020 08:54

I don't want lockdown, but if we are going to have lockdown I think it's pointless unless the schools are shut. There is no social distancing and young kids especially will not be abiding by hygiene measures. The rise in cases happened when schools went back - the data speaks for itself.

Nellodee · 01/11/2020 08:55

That is exactly the scene in my school, @mumsneedwine. It makes me feel sick to think about going back to that on Monday with rates as high as they are in my area.

IcedLimes · 01/11/2020 08:57

Today 08:10 monkeytennis97
That statement by the union seems very fair and reasonable. The government refusal to provide any extra funding for schools for safety and home learning is the problem. Not teachers not wanting to be at risk

Bollss · 01/11/2020 08:57

@Nellodee

No surprise from you, GeneGenie. You have the compassion of a snake and only give a shit about anything when it affects your own family. I recall when your son got sent home to isolate, and all of a sudden you wanted me to go look up data for you, because it impacted on you.

I ignored your post then and should have ignored this one now.

Ah yes because you've proved yourself to be absolutely lovely haven't you. This is actually hilarious.

Everyone is selfish. If you don't put your own kids first you've got fucking issues.

PinkFondantFancy · 01/11/2020 08:58

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

The only reason to keep schools open would be to make it easier for the parents to work.

If everything is shut down then the schools can operate online.

Not easier, possible. We all need people to be able to work, otherwise there will be no tax for the NHS or teachers wages and pensions.
LolalovesLondon · 01/11/2020 08:58

mumsneedwine

Yes I can’t wait to be in the middle of that 4 times a day tomorrow!

LolalovesLondon · 01/11/2020 08:59

starting again tomorrow!

Flaxmeadow · 01/11/2020 08:59

Please list every other job where this is the current daily working conditions

Retail

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