To think those happy about the new lockdown are usually privileged

[NickVanDyke]

Seen many people on Mumsnet and on other social media borderline happy as soon as a second lockdown was leaked.

Am I missing the memo? So many our going to lose their jobs, homes, mental health.

Not to mention the cost of borrowing all this money that our dc and grandkids will have to repay.

I’m just confused how anyone can be happy about this. To me it’s a disaster.

As usual people like to make sweeping statements without thinking things through, or worse they watch Loose Women! The term privileged seems to imply its wealth given or easily gained well some of us worked hard at school, had a shit childhood but worked through college while juggling children to gain a qualification that would allow me to earn more and support our kids through uni. So if I’m going to settle into lockdown and take some time out I think I deserve it. I’ve never taken from the state claiming benefits. So take a look at your situation and ask how you got there before judging us!

@m0therofdragons

Dh just commented he’s the only one of us stuck in as dc will be at school and I’ll be going to work. I feel so bad for him but not sure how to help.

He can do the housework

@UnaOfStormhold balanced post. I agree with everything apart from that I don’t think lockdown will achieve anything other than more damage to health and the economy. Let’s hope I’m wrong.

@OhTheRoses are you totally dismissing every death where a pre existing condition? These can be very minor and have no impact on life expectancy.
Op I am still working my way through the thread. Sorry about your business struggles and to others suffering one way or another due to this novel virus.
However I think the situation is not as black and white as you think.
On here you get extremes definately. You have the lockdown enthusiasts and those who just want to let it rip but maybe throwing a bit of money the ecv way so they can remain shielded until a vaccine is available. It won't be worded that way though. It will be something like stay at home temporarily whilst everyone else gets on with their life When you try and explain what shielding entails you are accused of wanting people locked up which is ironic as no one was locked up not even the shielded.
Most people however fall in the middle and just want to get through as best they can. There are no easy answers. Every decision has a cost. Our Govt have monumentally screwed up giving contracts to people not up to the job.
Re privledge again there are different types. We have a decent size house with a garden and dh who is ECV can and has worked from home. He earns enough for me to work part time self employed. So on the face of it privledged. We lost income during lockdown but not enough to be a concern. However lockdown/shielding was very hard for us. Dd1 coped ok but dd2 and dd3 were a nighmare to home school as they both have suspected autism. Probably PDA. Dd2 also has mh issues and dh is ECV and I have minor health issues too. So actually we are under a great deal of pressure and have virtually no extended family.
The kids returning to school was stressful but we did it. I didn't especially want a lockdown but it is not up to us mere mortals. We just have to get in with it.

Totally agree with OP. I feel those that are signing the petitition to close the schools must all be safe and secure on their trust funds or able to WFH. Dont people realise that any lives we save now will probably mean more deaths in the the futute when people dont get timely nhs care because the money isnt there as there is massive unemployment and the economy is tanked. Of those people who are dying or will die of Covid, how many are unexpected deaths. Why arent we getting this data. Whats the rationale behind trying to protect an 85 year old from getting covid , if they are just as likely to die of winter flu or social isolation, or a hip fracture from a fall beacause they have been stuck at home for 6 months. Why havent NHS trained up intensive care nurses so there is enough staff to man the nightingale hospital. How much can we believe anything SAGE has got to say

"Where’s the fecking plan?" Booksareessential

Thats it, there doesnt appear to be one, there is statistics on how the people who have covid have contracted it. What is the point in track an trace if it cant pinpoint where people are contracting it and what measures were or werent in place so that businessess can respond to it. As for protecting the NHS, what are we protecting exactly if people cant get appointments/surgery/chemo. We have reorganised all our services to reduce risk of Covid but all this means in reality is that less people are abe to access the treatment they need now.

@northernsoulgirl45

I had to crawl a long way back to my post. No. I don't think I said that at all.

@OhTheRoses you talk of a few hundred deaths amonst 50k ish or something like that. Will try and check back. Has taken me so long to read thread .

@OhTheRoses this.
500,000 cases - 274 deaths
Not sure what you meant by that.

= 0.054% overall including those with underlying conditions and the v v elderly. Every death is to be mourned but the response to this is entirely disproportionate to the impact- sad though it is, and the impact on those with decades ahead may be far far worse.

Don't confuse those who support or will comply with being happy. Can't be arsed to read the full tread.

The latest figures for deaths. That would make a shit load of cases.

Are you basing it on this report @OhTheRoses or something else?
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-coronavirus-latestupdates-live-covid-eat-out-help-out-tier-3-b28741.html
As the deaths sadly take time to filter through and the 274 deaths will originate from when cases were lower weeks ago. Plus the 500K is weekly not daily.

I'm almost indifferent to it. As long as schools stay open and we are able to work, things will be ok.

We have been living within the rules and haven't really been out for food, shopping or socialising... but we have been helping out some elderly family members.

But I know it's not for everyone and I feel for people who need contact with friends and family or who's jobs are on the line.

Whichever way one looks at it, it's disproportionate.

66,000,000/45,000
23000/274

Please go and listen to Tim Spektor rather than Neil Ferguson.

It's shit whatever we do. Nobody is happy about lockdown, but those who have financial security have the luxury of being able to recognise that the lockdown option is, for the greatest number of people, the least worst choice. I can see why those who will be immediately financially hit feel that the lockdown option is the worst. The problem is that lockdown is the worst option at first but you aren't comparing the immediate impact of lockdown v no lockdown, you need to compare immediate impact of lockdown v medium term impact of not locking down.

Havent read the thread through, just the opener has upset me so much!

There is no happiness from me but I am relieved. It is needed. We certainly are not privileged as the OP suggests. We are having to sell our house as furlough and job insecurity means we cannot afford to live here anymore, we have no savings left and I am terrified. My anxiety is awful.

But I see that it would be worse if we didnt have a lockdown. It would be worse if we let this virus destroy our society deeper.

We also have a son on the vulnerable list. I am terrified of losing him to covid. Or losing him to any respiratory disease over this winter because there will not be sufficient resources to help him.

I would rather us lose our home than our son.

@NorthGirl2

And Yes, people need to shut up about this saving Christmas crap. I would rather keep my job than save Christmas, which I imagine is the same for the majority of people. Christmas is a day spend at home anyway, just this year it will have to be with the household rather than masses of extended family. I'm sure most people can stick that for one year, surely?

Easy to say if you're not close to your family or single. Totally different otherwise. . I've never not been with my extended family for the big celebrations. So actually it is a big deal. However, I've been prepared for this outcome since about May. Doesn't mean that it's not still shit. This lockdown won't change Christmas. That's just appeasing some. Covid won't be less virulent on 25th than it is on 24th Dec. Reducing deaths, maintaining the NHS to help those and others without covid however is a necessity.

@Flapjak

Totally agree with OP. I feel those that are signing the petitition to close the schools must all be safe and secure on their trust funds or able to WFH. Dont people realise that any lives we save now will probably mean more deaths in the the futute when people dont get timely nhs care because the money isnt there as there is massive unemployment and the economy is tanked. Of those people who are dying or will die of Covid, how many are unexpected deaths. Why arent we getting this data. Whats the rationale behind trying to protect an 85 year old from getting covid , if they are just as likely to die of winter flu or social isolation, or a hip fracture from a fall beacause they have been stuck at home for 6 months. Why havent NHS trained up intensive care nurses so there is enough staff to man the nightingale hospital. How much can we believe anything SAGE has got to say

So is it OK for your 85yo mum or gran to be sacrificed then?

So is it OK for your 85yo mum or gran to be sacrificed then?

Apparently yes. Such nauseating views have gained traction on MN.

Can't say I'm at all 'happy' about lockdown - it's extremely worrying for the country in terms of financial stability and mental health. I am concerned about the economic impact and whether my currently 'safe' job will be safe in the not so distant future and I appreciate the stress it is causing many families, however at present, it means that I can WFH and care for my terminally ill partner who was recently predicted to have at worst, months and at best, a couple of years to live.

I don't think of myself as particularly lucky, being the sole provider for my family and carrying the financial burden alone, running myself ragged working full time, caring for everybody else and having to run a house by myself or knowing my daughter will lose her daddy at some point, but I am lucky to have this opportunity to spend virtually all my time with him and that our daughter gets more family time at home without early nursery drops and late pick ups to keep us afloat.

People's circumstances are different.

Don't confuse those who support or will comply with being happy. Can't be arsed to read the full tread.

^ this

So is it OK for your 85yo mum or gran to be sacrificed then?

Apparently yes. Such nauseating views have gained traction on MN.

and this ^

I decided today to pull the plug and close my business. We have 12 members of staff who I made redundant today.

The lockdown was the straw that broke the camels back. We have had virtually no footfall in Central London. The government keeps expecting businesses to load up on debt but this is not sustainable.

There is no prospect of recovery in Central London until summer. I cannot afford the rent and insurance of my business.

So I have had to close for good. I’m upset that 12 families are likely to be unemployed at Xmas.

Lockdowns will be seen as a historic mistake. My business survived the recession. It’s always traded well and made a profit until Covid.

@echt

So is it OK for your 85yo mum or gran to be sacrificed then?

Apparently yes. Such nauseating views have gained traction on MN.

My 80 yo dad is very very clear that this lockdown is not in his name. He is willing to accept higher risks for himself to save his grandchildren's future and the country's economy. He is not unusual in his demographic.

Sorry to hear that @NickVanDyke

I hope you can start up again when sanity returns.