'We won't be back to 2019 for five years'

[RainbowParadise]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54661843

Has anyone else seen this? I feel completely on the edge after reading this, people surely will not comply with this shit show indefinitely?

Maybe stop reading scare mothering articles constantly - have a little break from it and you might feel better

Everything ya hear say - we don’t know how long it will go on for or what types of lockdown will come next

So why get worried in advance - it’s so stupid!

You have to just live your life as best you can while this is going on - stop focusing on the negatives 🙄

@Flaxmeadow

But it can't go on indefinitely

The way it stands at the moment. You're wrong

This is what '"rolling lockdowns" look like. Light for a while, then strict for a while. The rolling lockdowns that were explained to us over and over again in March at the daily briefings.

Save the health service, then save the economy, save the health service, save the economy.... Rolling lockdowns for however long it takes

If we had a competent government and a population that cared about public health (ie didn't continually elect tory governments) then the NHS wouldn't be so close to breaking point.

Don't worry folks - The Great Reset is coming (see World Economic Forum website).

Cynics feel that covid may even be a front to introduce the said reset.

If we had a competent government and a population that cared about public health (ie didn't continually elect tory governments) then the NHS wouldn't be so close to breaking point

Italy has one of the best, and funded, public health services in world. Didn't stop what happened in Lombardy in March

I don't think you appreciate the scale of this crisis

The problem is usage of a shared resource (nhs) and effect of COVID on this. If community transmission rises, it impacts the whole health sector because more people are ill. Hospitals could choose not to take infection control measures, but I think you would find that there would be increase in medical issues and deaths as patients without COVID catch it in hospital on top of their other medical problems. If staff don’t take infection control measures eg spacing clinics/cleaning surfaces (which takes time), then they might also get sick so you would have staffing issues. And that is assuming you don’t have PPE problems from having to use highest grade stuff all the time if you don’t segregate COVID from non COVID patients.

@RainbowParadise

Yes the government is a shit show.
Yes a strict lockdown in February would have helped.
Yes the government has been running down the NHS for years.

But given the rise in increases of Covid right now how do you propose reducing it? We don't have a time machine.

@Flaxmeadow

If we had a competent government and a population that cared about public health (ie didn't continually elect tory governments) then the NHS wouldn't be so close to breaking point

Italy has one of the best, and funded, public health services in world. Didn't stop what happened in Lombardy in March

I don't think you appreciate the scale of this crisis

Italy became overwhelmed in March because of it being so concentrated to one particular region.

And seriously, fuck off with your patronising bullshit that I don't appreciate how serious this is. I have said time and time again that I supported lockdowns and have never, not once, advocated for letting the virus rip. I have concerns about mine and my children's future as believe it or not there are issues other than coronavirus. The threat of coronavirus is far less to me than the consequences of losing my job or my children's education being damaged. I've said along that there needs to be balance. If the government had tried to do this then perhaps people wouldn't feel so god damn awful right now and more accepting of the situation.

If we go into lockdown again, I have to 'protect the nhs' and protect strangers, yet the government won't give me the choice to take my children out of school, and protect my parents in their 60s who we live with.

Who we live with because two years ago I managed to get away from my abusive ex. Who controlled me and my freedom for years. Who continued to make life difficult me, whilst I had to continue to do my best for my children, build up a career again, and what got me through such difficult times was enjoying my freedom again and building up a social life, making new friends.

The way some people come on these threads and delight in telling anyone who is purely wondering if there should be some balance, that they are idiots for questioning continuing lockdowns, that they don't care about people dying from corona or whatever, is just horrible frankly. I mean someone has suggested that all we are being asked to do is stay home and watch tv. The lack of empathy for anyone who has other considerations is awful.

I think the reason for having rolling lockdowns is because U.K. are unwilling put in measures to get and keep numbers at a low level:

1. appropriate financial support for affected people
2. v strict social measures for 2 months with maintaining strict border control after.
3. poorly performing track and trace.

Jesus, some of these responses are unnecessarily harsh. Yes this is a shit show. Yes it is boring a lot of the time, (as is war, as are most large traumatic crises when they are not being terrifying.) Yes it is okay to feel sad and angry about it and moan about it

Buy at the same time we need to fine the healthiest way to get through this

@Hyperfish101 and your parents are absolutely allowed to say that. God anyone over 80 has the right to live to 100 and statistically an 80 year old is still more likely to survive Covid. However, this particular article mentions 5 years! How is it right that children and young people are having it all taken away from them? As I said 5 years is lost life to them, time they'll never get back. It's robbing the young, it's not working both ways is it?

@Heyahun

Maybe stop reading scare mothering articles constantly - have a little break from it and you might feel better

Everything ya hear say - we don’t know how long it will go on for or what types of lockdown will come next

So why get worried in advance - it’s so stupid!

You have to just live your life as best you can while this is going on - stop focusing on the negatives 🙄

Well said actually I need to take this advice x

So they recon 2/3 business could close so.....

So if I was psychic and cynical this is what I’d predict-

The economy will be run in to the ground to the point there will be no NHS. It simply won’t exist anymore.

There will be no where for anyone to go for any medical/dental care unless you’re mega rich and can afford private insurance.

Folk will still be dying of covid as there’ll be no where for them to go.

Anyone else will just be left to get on with it too

There will be no money so we’ll all be screwed!

Prices for food will be sky high, because remember, 2/3 of businesses are closed, so there’s no price wars so the shops. There’s no mass choice like there is now so we’ll have to pay through the nose.

Not sure where we’ll get the money from though as there’s no income tax to pay for benefits... and there’s no jobs....

Perhaps in the next 10 years things will start to pick up slightly and in 30 years we might be back to something similar to what we have now regarding a functioning society....

I hope my psychic predictions are wrong but this is what I think could happen based on the logic and info we have.

[quote onedayinthefuture]@Hyperfish101 and your parents are absolutely allowed to say that. God anyone over 80 has the right to live to 100 and statistically an 80 year old is still more likely to survive Covid. However, this particular article mentions 5 years! How is it right that children and young people are having it all taken away from them? As I said 5 years is lost life to them, time they'll never get back. It's robbing the young, it's not working both ways is it?[/quote]
That's exactly how I feel @onedayinthefuture- five years? Really? A huge section of the population across ALL age groups will struggle to accept that. This isn't just about the young (although they are the ones who have the worst of the economic effects to consider as well), this is about the well-being of the elderly too, and whilst some may want to be cautious, understandably, there are others that lockdowns are causing untold misery to.

Yet I've been jumped on and spoken to as though I suggested letting the virus rip through, that I was anti-lockdown completely. That's just not true. What is wrong with thinking there needs to be some balance? With suggested we need to do something to allow time for vaccine/treatments but there is a limit as to how long this will be complied with and five years is ridiculous. Did people have rolling lockdowns for five years because of Spanish flu? And that was a virus that badly affected much younger people.

I've been told to stay away from scare-mongering articles- this is an article on the front page of the BBC- not some random site full of conspiracy theorists. When something like this appears on what should be a fairly reliable source it's concerning.

I am a glass half empty kind of person though

Perhaps some people bashing the governments in Europe and the US for the pandemic and for severe lockdowns. Should reflect on what totalitarian governments are and do not take democracy for granted. We have essential services running and food.

If anybody wants to watch this interview it may put some things in perspective m.youtube.com/watch?v=s3x0q7yn_f4

[quote blueangel19]Perhaps some people bashing the governments in Europe and the US for the pandemic and for severe lockdowns. Should reflect on what totalitarian governments are and do not take democracy for granted. We have essential services running and food.

If anybody wants to watch this interview it may put some things in perspective m.youtube.com/watch?v=s3x0q7yn_f4[/quote]
I personally don't think it's ever a good thing to set the bar so low as to think 'at least we are not a totalitarian state'.

We have essential services. We are also a wealthy country that the UN has condemned for our levels of child poverty.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-48354692

A country where a 22 yr old professional footballer has had to draw attention to children going hungry and has shown more compassion than the vast vast majority of tory politicians.

It’s not 5 years of lockdown though is it? People need to calm down. The article talks about various measures being in place for 5 years. Some more extreme than others. It doesn’t mean we will be locked in the house for 5 years.

I wonder if in 5 years time theatres, cinemas, pubs, restaurants, concert venues etc will still exist? I can't see how they can survive 5 more years of this shit. Even if they did exist in some form, who would want to go into these industries any more?

Wannafly the ones we have at the moment might not survive but new enterprises will spring up to fill the gap. A lot of people will suffer as result of COVID but equally a lot of people will do very well out of it financially if they can find a gap in the market. IMO

@Wannaflyaway

I wonder if in 5 years time theatres, cinemas, pubs, restaurants, concert venues etc will still exist? I can't see how they can survive 5 more years of this shit. Even if they did exist in some form, who would want to go into these industries any more?

When this is over then if course some entrepreneurs will say: ooooh people want to go to a restaurant/vinema/theatre again. I can make a buttload of money if I open one now. Hmmmmm what to do, what to do....

With so many not complying with measures of course softer measures won’t work

Neither will even the hardest measures unless there's enforcement, and in some areas that's almost completely absent for fear of upsetting residents

How are people going to feel about sacrificing so much, if they see an area with most non-essential shops open in defiance of the rules? Or cancelling their planned wedding when some venues continue to accept hundreds? Or giving up contact with families when others can mingle without interference?

All of these things and more happened in my area even during the first lockdown, and they continue to happen with absolutely nothing done about them
We're either "all in this together" or we're not, and unfortunately that's very far from the case

@Wannaflyaway

I wonder if in 5 years time theatres, cinemas, pubs, restaurants, concert venues etc will still exist? I can't see how they can survive 5 more years of this shit. Even if they did exist in some form, who would want to go into these industries any more?

At least some will rise up again when this is all over, but we're in this for the long haul

The economy might be screwed but on the bright side at least we're members of the world's largest free trade area. Aren't we??

@Hyperfish101

It’s not 5 years of lockdown though is it? People need to calm down. The article talks about various measures being in place for 5 years. Some more extreme than others. It doesn’t mean we will be locked in the house for 5 years.

Nor have we been locked in the house in 2020. We're allowed out.

@Wannaflyaway

I wonder if in 5 years time theatres, cinemas, pubs, restaurants, concert venues etc will still exist? I can't see how they can survive 5 more years of this shit. Even if they did exist in some form, who would want to go into these industries any more?

Of course the other side of this is that shutting the pubs, where people could at least have been careful to distance etc, not only fucks over the people whose businesses go down the drain, but when people refuse to continue complying with restrictions they will all end up in eachothers houses and probably spread the virus more. Also far harder to police what people are doing in their own homes🤷‍♀️