'We won't be back to 2019 for five years'

[RainbowParadise]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54661843

Has anyone else seen this? I feel completely on the edge after reading this, people surely will not comply with this shit show indefinitely?

@onedayinthefuture

The article mentions: "If up to 20% of people had Covid, it would slow things down and we should see a big drop-off, even if there isn't a vaccine."

Well they won't let us even try that will they!

What? Try for natural herd immunity? No, because the numbers involved, apart from collapsing key infrastructure, would make that genocide.

I don’t think you fully appreciate the consequences of what you’re advocating.

Quote RainbowParadise This is everywhere not just here. Do you think we are/ will be the only ones? the governments of European countries started lockdowns again if they do not do close here some people will start saying Boris has more blood in his hands.

Has anyone else seen this? I feel completely on the edge after reading this, people surely will not comply with this shit show indefinitely?

"this shit show"?

What do you think this is. A tiresome football match in the rain & mud. A boring movie you're having to sit through in an uncomfortable cinema seat.

This is a crisis. A pandemic. The biggest global "shit show" since WW2. It isn't something you can just discard, like a toffee, because you don't like it anymore

....what's next? "I'm bored with this" is it?

@RainbowParadise

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54661843

Has anyone else seen this? I feel completely on the edge after reading this, people surely will not comply with this shit show indefinitely?

Well presumably if you won't comply, you also won't be whining about the recovery being prolonged further 🤨

This will be the Covid decade. We just need to get through it.

It’s everywhere not just here. Too simplistic to blame the government.

With so many not complying with measures of course softer measures won’t work. So we miss a few parties and social events but people can be creative and safely do other things. It’s not like anyone is under house arrest and forbidden to leave their home.

I want my family and others to be able to have health care there when needed and want routine appointments and treatments to continue so we will play out part. The children know why we do it and understand. Children are very good at understanding the bigger picture if it’s explained in terms they understand.

@Flaxmeadow

Has anyone else seen this? I feel completely on the edge after reading this, people surely will not comply with this shit show indefinitely?

"this shit show"?

What do you think this is. A tiresome football match in the rain & mud. A boring movie you're having to sit through in an uncomfortable cinema seat.

This is a crisis. A pandemic. The biggest global "shit show" since WW2. It isn't something you can just discard, like a toffee, because you don't like it anymore

Covid doesn't care if people are bored.

[quote BuffaloCauliflower]@midgebabe there’s still a choice going on there. They could choose to treat the cancer patients and not the covid patients couldn’t they? Why they assumption that is HAS to mean reducing services for everything except Covid? These lockdowns were meant to protect the NHS so it could continue vital services, not turn the NHS into a Covid only servicez[/quote]
Oh my goodness. Let Covid run rampant then don't treat the ill. Is that you Dominic? That's the craziest 'solution' I've heard.

@Flaxmeadow

Has anyone else seen this? I feel completely on the edge after reading this, people surely will not comply with this shit show indefinitely?

"this shit show"?

What do you think this is. A tiresome football match in the rain & mud. A boring movie you're having to sit through in an uncomfortable cinema seat.

This is a crisis. A pandemic. The biggest global "shit show" since WW2. It isn't something you can just discard, like a toffee, because you don't like it anymore

Seriously, you don't think the government response is a shit show then? And the effect it's having on people's lives?

@Flaxmeadow

....what's next? "I'm bored with this" is it?

Cos how dare anyone be fed up with it? How dare anyone have any consideration for ANYTHING other than coronavirus?

I HAVE complied. And think it's completely the right thing to do so. For now. We need to give a chance for a vaccine/better treatments to be developed. But if next year it becomes apparent that those will not be as effective as hoped, we need to accept that there is a limit as to what can be done about a virus, and find ways to get quality of life back.

I think you'll be sadly disappointed if you think people will comply with life being a complete misery for years. People will take their chances. After all, none of know if it will be us who is badly affected. But people will take the risk.

Seriously, you don't think the government response is a shit show then? And the effect it's having on people's lives?

It has, but near enough every country has huge restrictions in place that are affecting people's lives.

This is the Covid era we have to live in.

@RainbowParadise are you incapable of understanding that a pandemic will, inevitably have a terrible impact on people's lives? The problem is that too little action was taken right back in February and we're paying the price now.

We are going to have to live differently until the situation comes under better control. It's not a matter of you insisting that you must be allowed to live your normal life without constraints. Some people may even have to look for different types of work for the time being (while I'm in a risky but secure job, I have lost thousands from my second job and who knows what will happen with DH - he may not have a choice but to work as a refuse collector, a delivery driver or rely on benefits for a while - I didn't just trot that comment out lightly).

Or in other words, stop being so fucking selfish.

[quote SaltyAndFresh]@RainbowParadise are you incapable of understanding that a pandemic will, inevitably have a terrible impact on people's lives? The problem is that too little action was taken right back in February and we're paying the price now.

We are going to have to live differently until the situation comes under better control. It's not a matter of you insisting that you must be allowed to live your normal life without constraints. Some people may even have to look for different types of work for the time being (while I'm in a risky but secure job, I have lost thousands from my second job and who knows what will happen with DH - he may not have a choice but to work as a refuse collector, a delivery driver or rely on benefits for a while - I didn't just trot that comment out lightly).

Or in other words, stop being so fucking selfish.[/quote]
Oh another selfish comment 😂 makes your argument seem so much stronger doesn't it, to suggest anyone with a care for anything other than coronavirus needs to be considered.

The wartime generation went through a lot worse. We're just being asked to stay in and watch telly for a while. If only they had that luxury in the 40s.

And don't put words in my mouth, at what point did I say about living normal life right now? I have repeated, I supported and still do, taking measures to slow the virus. But it can't go on indefinitely. You're deluded if you think the very elderly, nearing the end of their lives, will choose to spend what is left to them isolated and miserable, with all the joy taken. You're deluded if you think young people will continue to live with so little contact with their peers.

Seriously, you don't think the government response is a shit show then? And the effect it's having on people's lives?

This government did not manufacture this virus. No govenrment did. Do you think whoever was in power it would have been any different? All governments across the globe are trying to deal with it and they have all made mistakes one way or another. Tried different ways, changed tactics as they've followed the science. But the effect on peoples lives would have been far worse without lockdowns

A government tries strict lockdown, they're damned. They try light lockdown, they're damned. They save the health services, the economy suffers. They try to save the economy, the health service suffers. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

What do you think would have happened if we, and the rest of the world, hadn't had some form of lockdown in March?

Will there ever be a vaccine???

@annabel85

The wartime generation went through a lot worse. We're just being asked to stay in and watch telly for a while. If only they had that luxury in the 40s.

You've shown your intelligence level if you are equating this to being 'asked to stay in and watch television'.

You're asking people to lose their livelihoods, their homes, the ability to feed and clothe their children, their children's education and life chances. And with brexit still to come too! Joy!

And fuck me, I must be a terrible person to consider mental health too.

The overwhelming majority of people still dying are 80+. Anyone of that age, will they realistically want to hide away for another 5 years and not see family? Does that make any sense? No it doesn't because something else will likely get you before Covid does in that case. 5 years for a child or young person is a bloody long time! Why should they sacrifice their freedom.

Yes there is a vaccine in its way. It might not be a cure all but I’m sure it will have a positive impact one way or another.

@annabel85

The wartime generation went through a lot worse. We're just being asked to stay in and watch telly for a while. If only they had that luxury in the 40s.

Maybe YOU are "just being asked to stay in and watch telly for a while" but many thousands of people are being asked to give up their livliehoods, the businesses they built up for years, and so much that is precious to them.

Some people here are enjoying every second of this (indignant denial in 3-2-1) and feel free to lecture others from the security of the middle class home where they stay and watch TV, when not showing disdain for others on MN.

@Flaxmeadow

Seriously, you don't think the government response is a shit show then? And the effect it's having on people's lives?

This government did not manufacture this virus. No govenrment did. Do you think whoever was in power it would have been any different? All governments across the globe are trying to deal with it and they have all made mistakes one way or another. Tried different ways, changed tactics as they've followed the science. But the effect on peoples lives would have been far worse without lockdowns

A government tries strict lockdown, they're damned. They try light lockdown, they're damned. They save the health services, the economy suffers. They try to save the economy, the health service suffers. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

What do you think would have happened if we, and the rest of the world, hadn't had some form of lockdown in March?

Can you read? I said I didn't disagree with lockdowns. I just don't believe they are a permanent solution and there is a time limit to how long compliance will last.

You don't think we are suffering worse now because of Boris being incompetent then? Because the tories have run the NHS into the ground for the last 10 years?

But it can't go on indefinitely

The way it stands at the moment. You're wrong

This is what '"rolling lockdowns" look like. Light for a while, then strict for a while. The rolling lockdowns that were explained to us over and over again in March at the daily briefings.

Save the health service, then save the economy, save the health service, save the economy.... Rolling lockdowns for however long it takes

@onedayinthefuture

The overwhelming majority of people still dying are 80+. Anyone of that age, will they realistically want to hide away for another 5 years and not see family? Does that make any sense? No it doesn't because something else will likely get you before Covid does in that case. 5 years for a child or young person is a bloody long time! Why should they sacrifice their freedom.

You see you say that but my parents in 80.they feel like they might have a few years left so no, they don’t want to risk catching COVID. It’s not as simple as saying ‘get on and live your life’. Many older people are not ready to die and so will want to avoid catching it. Any help they can get from the wider community in avoiding it will probably be well received!