Why on earth do you think home ed would work second time around?

[Whatchasayin]

We know that a huge percentage of DC didn't even log onto home learning earlier in the year. We know thousands of DC don't have devices, WiFi, space to work, parental support. We know thousands of DC can't be bothered to do it and who's going to make them when parents are at work/don't care. This all happened a few months ago so why are so many people advocating going back there? For a virus that many people don't even realise they have and most don't get more than mildly unwell. Average age of death is 82.

Not true about N.Italy.

Simon, those schools who abandoned their pupils failed them yes. Dn has some of sen and was very well taken care of on line.. Db said, one day the teacher thought she looked sad and they got a call from welfare. They could do this because they could monitor her as they would any student in the classroom.

Those that cut dc adrift... Wow.

Okay - so we have had 23 cases over the first half term. At a 70% level of immunity, and not considering growth, it would take 8 years to reach mythical herd immunity.

Next plan?

They were asked to what access to lap tops or smart phones they had. Things were put in place for those that needed.

Unfortunately not everyone is that fortunate. Many teens do not have access to online learning or even space to work in.

@SimonJT

There isn’t really a right answer is there.

When schools are closed vulnerable children are made even more vulnerable, those with SEND fall further behind, those with poor support networks at home lose the person who is usually emotionally available. Young carers don’t get a break.

Lots of children at our adoption group found the extended time of school very difficult and a lot have been retraumatised.

There are pros and cons to both arguments, there isn’t a magical answer that keeps everyone safe.

I have found, being an SEN teacher that as usual our young people are left behind and forgotten.

We have completely different needs and requirements in our schools than mainstream but we just have to fall in with the general gvmt rules. As ever we are forgotten so the most vulnerable children aren't provided for.

It's devastating. We do stay open yes but then a lot of our students are ECV so can't come in even though we are open.

As with everything in education...it's like we and our students don't exist.

@Nellodee it's only close contacts that get sent home from our school (not sure about others) so unlikely to have back to back self isolating.

@Sonnenscheins

What do you think happens when they come back and another student in their class gets a positive? Once you have a large number of cases in a school (and the community around it), they are not going to just go away after a fortnight.

Eventually you'll get enough immunity! That's what seems to be happening at Unis. Cases seem to be coming down after a massive spike.

Wasn’t that just put down to the few huge testing regimes of students that were put in place and have no stopped?

Regardless, many of those cases have now spread out into the community anyway which is what would happen with schools so it’s hardly a successful tactic.

Starlight101
Deep down we all know they aren’t safe. And keeping on pursuing this ‘education as normal’ will shut down the nhs and lead to 10s of 1000s more deaths
You cannot offer an ounce of proof of the above, you're plucking figures out of thin air. How do you seriously have the front to call another poster stupid when posting this kind of guff?

Teachers won’t be on unpaid leave. They’ll be providing access to peers, education, social opportunities etc to children of key workers - rationing by parental occupation. I don’t think there’ll be half as much parental goodwill as March so an awful lot of people will maximise the definition of “keyworker” and those who are still prevented from going to school will be swapping childcare, having sleepovers and generally ignoring the rules. They already are. I’m currently following the rules and minimising exposure to keep my kids at school. If I no longer have that incentive I’m not sure I’m going to entirely isolate my small children for months while others still get to go to school. Unless it’s coupled with an incredibly strict lockdown it won’t do as much as people think.

@VinylDetective

You might want to get yourself a copy of today’s Sunday Times *@Starlight101*. And read what frontline NHS staff have to say.

As I’m being responsible and not randomly popping to shops solely for a newspaper maybe you can enlighten me?

Then I’ll happily comment.

@Namenic

Ophelia’s crayon - I do think that stopping nhs being overrun is a valid reason. Look at Wuhan and north Italy. In those situations young and old with emergency problems could not access medical care - because staff were spread thinly (due to too many patients and staff getting sick).

But at what cost?

As others have said it's not save one or the other. Both are equally as vital for their own reasons

And, if we are constantly worried about the nhs being overrun then the gvmt really need to step up and answer what they have been doing over the last however long that it had got to this point.

Hospitals were running at close to capacity the whole time before this because the gvmt haven't ever properly funded them or treated their medical staff with the respect and renumeration they deserve.

We can play the game of which service needs to close to save what all we like but let's not forget.... The gvmt had a planning scenario for a pandemic a few years ago and they knew THEN that the nhs couldn't cope....yet did.....nothing other than brush it under the carpet.

Well here we are. So ultimately there is no fix. There is no save this to save that because the gvmt had long since screwed us all.

As I’m being responsible and not randomly popping to shops solely for a newspaper hmm maybe you can enlighten me?

Anyone got a medal for citizen of the year?

@toxtethOgradyUSA

Starlight101 Deep down we all know they aren’t safe. And keeping on pursuing this ‘education as normal’ will shut down the nhs and lead to 10s of 1000s more deaths You cannot offer an ounce of proof of the above, you're plucking figures out of thin air. How do you seriously have the front to call another poster stupid when posting this kind of guff?

Well just look at the figures. Look at how they strangely started to rise when schools went back. What else could have caused this? Look at where the numbers are heading. Look at the predictions.

I will be happy to return to this thread in a months time when we are even more in the shit as I’m pretty sure that, sadly, the predictions of an uncontrollable rise will be correct.

By keeping banging on about ‘schools must stay open as normal’ which anyone with an ounce of sense would have known was impossible.

Well they aren't open completely as normal are they.

I don't understand this talk of children having no access to devices. Every single school I am aware of (and that's a lot for professional reasons), either loaned devices to families without them, accessed the Govt. supply or ensured that the devices parents said they had were adequate and available for the children in question.

@Mokusspokus

My dn went on line perfectly fine during lock down. They were chased up if they didn't log on, and then parents hassled as well. They were asked to what access to lap tops or smart phones they had. Things were put in place for those that needed.

It was very much business as usual. Same breaks, schedule... Everyone did exactly the same but on line.

So that's what I would expect except of most places.

That’s not what happened for many many children, though. It didn’t happen with mine and we have laptops, internet connections, two parents who value education. You can only do so many things at once and I could not do home education plus caring for a toddler plus existing manically busy job.

And in other families, there would have been children who didn’t have somewhere quiet and safe to work, or couldn’t engage with online learning, or needed support parents weren’t able to give, or needed a lot more education to prepare for exams than they were getting. Most schools were not doing regular school days of online teaching.

Close everything else before closing schools. They need to be as safe as it’s possible to make them, the government should be prepared to throw money at this, but the consequences of them closing will be long-lasting and devastating to very very many kids.

@OliveTree75

As I’m being responsible and not randomly popping to shops solely for a newspaper hmm maybe you can enlighten me?

Anyone got a medal for citizen of the year?

Pity more people aren’t like this actually. Then we might not be in such a shitty situation

Look at how they strangely started to rise when schools went back. What else could have caused this? Look at where the numbers are heading. Look at the predictions.

Plenty of workers went back to their offices in Sept, increased use of public transport. Holidays, restaurants opening in the Summer, gyms etc all had no impact just schools?

@baller20

By keeping banging on about ‘schools must stay open as normal’ which anyone with an ounce of sense would have known was impossible.

Well they aren't open completely as normal are they.

To be honest I think you’re basically just proving my point there.

The more we try to keep schools open ‘as normal’ the more will close.

@DameCelia

I don't understand this talk of children having no access to devices. Every single school I am aware of (and that's a lot for professional reasons), either loaned devices to families without them, accessed the Govt. supply or ensured that the devices parents said they had were adequate and available for the children in question.

Not every child in our school has access to one.

As I’m being responsible and not randomly popping to shops solely for a newspaper maybe you can enlighten me?

Wowsers! You could probably do with getting out...

@DameCelia

I don't understand this talk of children having no access to devices. Every single school I am aware of (and that's a lot for professional reasons), either loaned devices to families without them, accessed the Govt. supply or ensured that the devices parents said they had were adequate and available for the children in question.

The government supply arrived at my sons school two weeks before the summer holidays began.

@baller20

Look at how they strangely started to rise when schools went back. What else could have caused this? Look at where the numbers are heading. Look at the predictions.

Plenty of workers went back to their offices in Sept, increased use of public transport. Holidays, restaurants opening in the Summer, gyms etc all had no impact just schools?

Yes it did all have an impact. It was an absolutely stupid way to approach it.

But schools are having a large impact. Even on the government slides the most cases are in schools, then carehomes, then workplaces.

Carehomes are not letting visitors in, testing on a regular basis.

Workplaces are supposed to be Covid safe with PPE or 2m distancing between everyone.

Schools have nothing.

The teens that needed help were given it.

It wasn't as easy for some as others but apparently they did it well.

@Starlight101 my dcs school has bubbles, no wrap around care, staggered drop offs & lunches, portable sinks, masks outside of classroom etc.

Is it 100% safe? No, but life isn't.