Why on earth do you think home ed would work second time around?

[Whatchasayin]

We know that a huge percentage of DC didn't even log onto home learning earlier in the year. We know thousands of DC don't have devices, WiFi, space to work, parental support. We know thousands of DC can't be bothered to do it and who's going to make them when parents are at work/don't care. This all happened a few months ago so why are so many people advocating going back there? For a virus that many people don't even realise they have and most don't get more than mildly unwell. Average age of death is 82.

People who were banging on for months about how schools ‘cannot close and must go back as normal’ will have caused it.

Yeah, that's the reason. Get real.

Genuine question for teachers who want schools to close: would you be prepared to take unpaid leave for 6 months if we shut schools until April?

I suspect all those wanting schools open and their children not at home would still want access to the NHS.

Why is it either/or?

@toxtethOgradyUSA

Genuine question for teachers who want schools to close: would you be prepared to take unpaid leave for 6 months if we shut schools until April?

Yes. As long as you don't expect me to teach online or mark wotk or write reports or provide support for my students or my tutor group. If you expect me to do those things, that's a patently ridiculous suggestion because I'll be working.

The people advocating probably have about 5 laptops in their detached house and think everyone else is the same

Some also don't seem to have any issue with staying at home for months but forgetting that in order to have that privilege you need other workers to leave their homes to facilitate you.

Currently DC are off for 14 days at most which is rubbish but absolutely preferable to months and months.

@toxtethOgradyUSA

Genuine question for teachers who want schools to close: would you be prepared to take unpaid leave for 6 months if we shut schools until April?

Yes. Both DH and I would.

MrsHamlet absolutely

@OliveTree75

People who were banging on for months about how schools ‘cannot close and must go back as normal’ will have caused it.

Yeah, that's the reason. Get real.

They will have caused schools to be shut in an emergency way, yes. By keeping banging on about ‘schools must stay open as normal’ which anyone with an ounce of sense would have known was impossible.

Instead, shouting for more sustainable schooling would have been better for everyone.

@toxtethOgradyUSA we have been saving for years in our 'escape from teaching' saving account.

Currently DC are off for 14 days at most which is rubbish but absolutely preferable to months and months.

And that looks like being cut to 7 days.

Yes, way more preferable to many months.

No idea. I'm a single parent and cannot work from home in my industry. Home ed is not feasible for us in any way, shape or form.

@monkeytennis97 sounds like you and your DH don't like teaching very much!

You might want to get yourself a copy of today’s Sunday Times @Starlight101. And read what frontline NHS staff have to say.

It seems like many are only looking at the potential 'benefit' of closing schools.

Have you considered that the costs (list education, mental problems, unemployment etc) could be far higher?

@baller20

I suspect all those wanting schools open and their children not at home would still want access to the NHS.

Why is it either/or?

Because the government is shit. Because test and trace is shit.

The government actually said themselves that there needed to be a good track and trace system in place for schools to go back safely. It wasn’t in place but people conveniently forgot this was said as they were so eager to get the children back.

Research paper after research paper tells us that cramming children into schools like we are is just spreading the virus. Conveniently ignored again.

The most damning thing..... the government quietly removing the line from guidance about how ‘schools are safe’. They know they aren’t safe. Deep down we all know they aren’t safe. And keeping on pursuing this ‘education as normal’ will shut down the nhs and lead to 10s of 1000s more deaths.

So yes, it’s very much either/or

We've been doing it a long time. (Over 25 years which is rare these days). It's fine-some bits are great, some bits not so great but you just get on with it.

It's a job. Kids are great generally but I don't live to work.

@toxtethOgradyUSA

Genuine question for teachers who want schools to close: would you be prepared to take unpaid leave for 6 months if we shut schools until April?

No.

Why should I? If people got furlough pay because they couldn't safely work, why should I take unpaid leave if my workplace isn't safe to stay open?
Not a chance in hell could I, or would I accept no money for 6 months due to a situation that is out of my control!

@Sonnenscheins

Currently DC are off for 14 days at most which is rubbish but absolutely preferable to months and months.

And that looks like being cut to 7 days.

Yes, way more preferable to many months.

What do you think happens when they come back and another student in their class gets a positive? Once you have a large number of cases in a school (and the community around it), they are not going to just go away after a fortnight.

I suspect all those wanting schools open and their children not at home would still want access to the NHS.

Maybe not? Maybe some feel that the next generation' education and future is more important?

There isn’t really a right answer is there.

When schools are closed vulnerable children are made even more vulnerable, those with SEND fall further behind, those with poor support networks at home lose the person who is usually emotionally available. Young carers don’t get a break.

Lots of children at our adoption group found the extended time of school very difficult and a lot have been retraumatised.

There are pros and cons to both arguments, there isn’t a magical answer that keeps everyone safe.

@Starlight101 deaths from Covid or deaths as a long term consequence of shutting school again?

My dn went on line perfectly fine during lock down. They were chased up if they didn't log on, and then parents hassled as well. They were asked to what access to lap tops or smart phones they had. Things were put in place for those that needed.

It was very much business as usual. Same breaks, schedule... Everyone did exactly the same but on line.

So that's what I would expect except of most places.

What do you think happens when they come back and another student in their class gets a positive? Once you have a large number of cases in a school (and the community around it), they are not going to just go away after a fortnight.

Eventually you'll get enough immunity! That's what seems to be happening at Unis. Cases seem to be coming down after a massive spike.

Ophelia’s crayon - I do think that stopping nhs being overrun is a valid reason. Look at Wuhan and north Italy. In those situations young and old with emergency problems could not access medical care - because staff were spread thinly (due to too many patients and staff getting sick).