Why on earth do you think home ed would work second time around?

[Whatchasayin]

We know that a huge percentage of DC didn't even log onto home learning earlier in the year. We know thousands of DC don't have devices, WiFi, space to work, parental support. We know thousands of DC can't be bothered to do it and who's going to make them when parents are at work/don't care. This all happened a few months ago so why are so many people advocating going back there? For a virus that many people don't even realise they have and most don't get more than mildly unwell. Average age of death is 82.

The people who are privileged are the ones who still have their children in school.

They need to be aware that not everyone is in that position.

[quote baller20]**@Barbie222* so the this was not the case in many, many schools* was just based on your experience? I think it's helpful on these threads to try & separate anecdotal evidence out. [/quote]
As was your experience, too. It's important to gently challenge when someone's experience is generalised to the whole community, data or not

Schools need to stay open.

Home Ed didn't work for many children. It's unsustainable at primary level. Kids need to be taught, they need support and supervision while learning. They need the social interaction with their peers.

Many parents didn't cope with working and teaching, leaving children with minimal education.
I was lucky, I was on furlough... but I know I will not be 2nd time round! I don't think I have the energy to work 8 hours in a demanding job and spent an additional 2-3 hours min teaching. And while I love my DC and have (secretly) enjoyed lockdown ... I just couldn't cope with a 2nd, simply because I know what is coming.
I know that DC would not get the education they deserve as I have to make a stark choice: roof over their head and food on the table OR a decent education... sounds like the dark ages! All for a virus that may or may not make me long-term ill or for that tiny chance of actually killing me.

The people who are privileged are the ones who still have their children in school.

Probably more lucky

Lucky, yes.

I'm not advocating that schools close if they don't need to (though I honestly think they might stay open more in the long run if they switched to blended learning immediately).

I just want it acknowledged that keeping ALL schools open at ALL costs is nonsense. It isn't working.

We've just finished our first week of remote working and it was hell (lower KS2) . (anyone else isolating over half term 😔) Before the summer we chose when we did the work throughout the day and if there was some grumping, we could leave it and pick it up later. This time there was 5 Google meets throughout with 5 separate lessons with 20 minutes to introduce and then 25 minutes to complete all the work with lots of I don't understand so ended up being the study partner whilst trying to work at the same time. If I had 2 at home at the same time there's no way we could have multiple logins to 2 different classes. However at least 25 out of 31 were logging in to every lesson.

@Sunflowers246

But yes, we can probably do more as a society. But that wasn't the question in this thread.

@baller20 not in the question though.. some people just read the title and not the rest of it.

@Nellodee

Lucky, yes.

I'm not advocating that schools close if they don't need to (though I honestly think they might stay open more in the long run if they switched to blended learning immediately).

I just want it acknowledged that keeping ALL schools open at ALL costs is nonsense. It isn't working.

This.

@Barbie222 but I specifically said it was my experience & couldn't extrapolate that to the rest of the country.

I wrote
Everyone I knew had a similar provision that was offered to me but I don't know every key worker or school so I was interested if there was any data.

You wrote

Please be aware that was not the case in many, many schools, where key worker children completed the same work as their peers.

😆

not in the question though.. some people just read the title and not the rest of it.

Wow that's a reach! 😆

Home Ed didn't work for many children. It's unsustainable at primary level. Kids need to be taught, they need support and supervision while learning

We better tell the thousands opting to H.ed then, because they seem to think they are managing fine and their children thriving
I can see why some parents might not feel up to it, but prepared to try their best.
Also, those who have to work, and it's extra on top of that.
But kids should come first, before everything else.
If schools close it's up to the individual what they decide to do.
Schools can't keep open if cases are rising and hospitals becoming full. It's the kids in school super spreading anyway.

Hmmm @baller20 I was actually replying to @notevenat20's comment:

But even if it were, last time the key worker children in school were taught nothing.

So you are absolutely right, and hopefully she has taken note of both of us.

As you were.

@Barbie222

Im confused now, so the below wasn't directed to me?

baller20
@Barbie222 so the this was not the case in many, many schools was just based on your experience? I think it's helpful on these threads to try & separate anecdotal evidence out. 
As was your experience, too. It's important to gently challenge when someone's experience is generalised to the whole community, data or not

Home Ed didn't work for many children. It's unsustainable at primary level. Kids need to be taught, they need support and supervision while learning

Don’t be daft, plenty of people home educate right the way through. I did with my son until secondary school.

Lots of people don’t do it, but the ones who chose fo generally do it well.

The thing that got me as an ex home educator was people’s obsession with children having to do hours and hours of work, putting themselves and their children under massive pressure.

For what it’s worth, it only takes an hour or two a day - less when they are little and my ds was only doing academic work for maybe two and a half in year 6. People forget that children don’t sit at a desk working constantly from 9-3 at school.

@WankPuffins I tend to agree. It wasn't helped by the government gaslighting parents (and teachers!) about 'catching up' at every blinking briefing.

With more lead up and reasonable expectations on times, more schools would likely put out more resources than we saw in March which will make it better for more children. Many are already doing so - my DD1 already has isolation work that's far better than what was there before.

Being pushed into home schooling is really hard for many families, and many vulnerable children even more so. I don't think we have enough government support for schools and families to do this well.

I don't think 'blended learning' is automatically a privileged position that others think it is, but I can see why people think that. My DS1 has been a part-time student since September 2019, and he and most of his classmates come from catchment areas with the most inadequate schools. Many of them have already missed large chunks of education and are being retaken through. This helps them balance academics and qualifications. Not all subjects can be handled online and/or from textbook learning and not everyone can learn in this way, but neither can everyone do well in a typical classroom Mon-Fri all day setup either. That's why alternative provisions are popping up all over the place in some areas, there is a need for other ways of looking at education.

Also, I prefer when home schooling is used for children normally taught at school who had to learn at home, and home ed. for those typically taught at home. There are mixed students and overlap in that parents who choose these things tend to be better off than those who get pushed into, but these are different groups and being in all 3, the differences are important to keep in mind.

@OpheliasCrayon

Great post.

Home Ed when the parent is willing, able and has time and resources, is a completely different thing to Home Ed when it’s been thrust upon the parent. I’m quite worried about the emphasis on ‘live’ lessons if we go into lockdown again. I’m a teacher and last time I managed to supervise my DCs’ learning by writing lessons in the evenings or during my DCs’ breaks but if I’m expected to deliver lessons over Zoom it’s going to be a nightmare. Not least because we don’t have enough equipment.

Home Ed when the parent is willing, able and has time and resources, is a completely different thing to Home Ed when it’s been thrust upon the parent

Especially on a parent who cannot provide the technology or space for their children to work. For foreign parents who struggle with English. For parents of A level students struggling with their subjects etc etc.

Ds has been self isolating and home ed due to a child in his class testing positive. I can tell you it is even worse than last time. During lockdown dh's work had reduced a lot so he was able to fit it around my 3 days a week and there was usually someone who could sit with ds. Now dh is back fully at work out of the house I have been trying to work from home, whilst getting a 6 year old through a very full timetable of 6 hours work a day with added zoom lessons that an adult has to be present for and 2 pieces of written work a day that have to be photographed and sent back (1 a week during lockdown). It's been a complete nightmare and I'm extremely glad it's half term next week.

No one is talking about schools fully closing. Teachers are talking about BLENDED LEARNING FOR OLDER YEARS.

I don’t see why that is impossible. We’ll be monitoring them and keeping track. All you have to do is ask them is they’ve done it and let them get on with it. Let them have a bit on independence. They aren’t made of sugar.

Someone please tell me that as a single parent that works full time how I should make this work?
Oh yes if course , I need to stop being so selfish don't I? And need to stop thinking about money, because after all my house can be repossessed if I dont pay the mortgage but COVID
And while I'm at it , me and my son should stay locked up at home and never mix with anyone else ever again.
Funny how I hear this kind of attitude from people in a stable marriage, with no money or loneliness worries.

@Sunflowers246

I’d like to ask what those parents do normally when their child has homework.

We’ll be teaching them lessons, setting the work and marking it. At what point do the parents need to be involved unless they are behind?

We are providing tech and a bubble at school for severely disadvantaged kids.

There is already anecdotal evidence on this thread that full time live remote schooling doesn't work. We need to act now to get the numbers of children who need to self isolate down, and be realistic about what people can manage with their children during the time they are not physically in school. Given there was no appetite to start part time in September, the key to all of this was to have low community transmission OR more space / staff in school, and we had neither.