School case - refusing to isolated child!

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A friend received an email from school saying her child had to self isolate for 14 days as a close contact from school has tested positive.

She is refusing to self isolate the child - saying you only need to when you have symptoms.

She has been in contact with the rest of the class parents and they are also not isolating their children!!! Some already gone on holiday, already been to swimming lessons etc.

This is crazy!!!

[quote LadyPenelope68]@TrustTheGeneGenie
Because if they’ve just had one week half-term, then they should still be isolating the first week they’d come back.[/quote]
But school will already know that?? So why report them to school? School aren't gonna let them in if they're supposed to be isolating anyway.

We didn’t get a letter from PHE. Not even a text. Just a notification on school app telling us not to leave the house for 14 days.

I find that insulting and rude. No way should that be taken as law.

Do yourself a favour, do a bit of research about it spreading in schools before you start uttering total rubbish.

Is this how you speak to your kids’ parents @LadyPenelope68? No wonder they don’t want to follow your school rules?

Why would my child be infected if not self isolating? He/she has as much chance after the 14 days of being infected as any other (according to PHE)

At no point did I say I’d send my kid back to school before the 14 days was up. I said we wouldn’t be put under house arrest.

It is not law. It is not enforceable and people need to stop judging

But when you're the teacher who has been ill for a fortnight and counting with Covid, including needing hospital treatment surely you can show some level of concern that people aren't playing their part in reducing risk??

The only place I'd had any prolonged close contact with anyone other than Dh (who has had no symptoms and no contact with positive cases) is school, with children.

Is any of this working/ helping Aragon?

Locking kids in is doing more harm than good.

The virus is out there among us, invisible, silent - whatever you want to call it.

So many people have it without knowing, so many kids in your school will have it without knowing. It’s bonkers locking a handful in and pretending that we’re somehow in control - because we’re just not.

This ridiculous situation is entirely down to the complete lack of a competent test and trace strategy.
This government has been giving jobs and money to their friends and families, not to the professionals who know about running testing and contact tracing.

So what do we do? Just ignore it and pretend it isn't in schools or spreading between children, staff, parents?

Just hope the next teacher who gets it from a child isn't even more vulnerable and even more ill?

The government says that 14 days isolation is the best way to stop it in its track in such situations. But that's not going to work when people won't follow those guidelines.

So is your answer to let it rip through schools with our fingers crossed that not too many people, mainly adult staff, die or become really poorly??

I don’t have an answer Aragog. I’m not paid to find one. Others/our gov and are as Tissue says they’re using this as an opportunity to throw money at their friends instead.

Whilst we mess around pretending we’re in control, locking our kids down as a symbol of that etc, I refuse to take part.

It’s a charade and that’s all it is.

@Aragog
So is your answer to let it rip through schools with our fingers crossed that not too many people, mainly adult staff, die or become really poorly??
Unfortunately Aragog, I think this is what some people want as they’re more bothered about losing their childcare (not their child’s education) so they can go about as normal and don’t care that their selfish behaviour could have a massive impact in others.

And you’re a teacher! You’ve said it yourself. Do you have no empathy for these ‘deprived’ kids shut in tiny spaces?

Are you incapable of understanding that children will be shut away in a lockdown situation again much sooner if those who should be self isolating don't do so now? I mean, @GnomeOrMistAndIceGuy explicitly said that at her school there are 11 members of staff with Covid. Schools will not be able to stay open for much longer if parents refuse to take responsibility for SI their children, and empathy won't really come into it. I know when I end up with Covid (and I will, because it's rife) I will be recuperating until I'm fit to return.

That's fairly simple to grasp, surely?

@Dustballs you haven't been told children aren't contagious of course they are anyone can be and the rules are there to protect us and yes you can be fined

@SqidgeBum schools are being kept open as children need an education this virus is here to stay what do you propose that we shut schools for a year or more
Also we need an economy to fund the nhs
The reason close contacts incl those in school are asked to
Isolate is so hopefully we can limit the spread but if people choose to ignore then its no wonder we can't get numbers down and the longer measures will stay in place
Unfortunately we have to manage both the virus and the economy

But the issue here is with the lack of testing and the time it takes for people to get results and for those results to be communicated following a decision on who needs to isolate....

My DC was at school, swimming, football etc for nearly the first week post contact with an ill/positive case. Not because were selfish, feckless parents who want everyone to die but because it took days for the ill child to get a test and receive the results. My DC is now going weird through cabin fever at home (his sleep is disrupted now too) and missing his half term plans when he is much much less risk to anyone.

The system is what is failing here. The system is what is putting teachers and everyone else at risk.

The school I am at is in a tier 3 area and there were multiple cases in the first 4 or 5 weeks but only 2 staff.

Since we switched to internal contact tracing on PHE advice cases have exploded in the last 2 weeks with 2 pupil cases a day over the last 2 weeks and a third of the staff off.

Now waiting for a test result myself after losing all sense of smell and taste.

Kids will be coming in an out of school like yoyo's and having a lot of cover lessons. Attitude's like well we can't control the virus and "set the kids free" will only make it worse. We have even had kids told to isolate try and come back to school. Do these parents consider the impact on the hundreds of other kids whose ability to attend school they are putting at risk?

We've also had colleagues try and come back too early what with how much we are struggling and it is a bit distressing and worrying to see how dehabilitated they are when they have had to be sent home

think this is what some people want as they’re more bothered about losing their childcare (not their child’s education)

This is why people are pissed off with teachers. Comments like this.

@Dustballs i can't afford 2 weeks off work if i have go isolate but i will still do it of instructed as thats the right thing to do to protect others
For some in receipt of certain benefits i believe there is a payment made for certain types of isolation
Its not ideal but maybe if people followed the rules and we get the numbers down we would have less incidences of having to isolate

For some in receipt of certain benefits i believe there is a payment made for certain types of isolation

Absolutely fuck all for everyone else though. We all have bills.

Self-isolation is horrible for children, especially those in cramped accommodation, but if people choose not to self-isolate, covid will continue to spread through their communities, risking lives and increasing the likelihood of a longer lockdown later. This would have the harshest impact on the poorest communities.

I completely agree that test and trace is a shambles. If this was improved, at least those with symptoms could get a negative test result quickly and be back at school. The 14 day isolation would still have to apply to close contacts though.

@TrustTheGeneGenie
...and anyone else who doesn't believe me, I redirect you to @saggyoldsofa

Regs provide that if you are informed of requirement to SI by anyone employed for the purposes of the health service, by the Secretary of State, or by a local authority, then the requirement to isolate is set out in law.

Schools fall into that category. They may well send a text to prevent you coming in at the start of the day, or to ensure that everyone gets the message. They have probably informed you of how they will notify you in their re-opening plan, which will be available on their website.

[quote Ashard20]@TrustTheGeneGenie
...and anyone else who doesn't believe me, I redirect you to @saggyoldsofa

Regs provide that if you are informed of requirement to SI by anyone employed for the purposes of the health service, by the Secretary of State, or by a local authority, then the requirement to isolate is set out in law.

Schools fall into that category. They may well send a text to prevent you coming in at the start of the day, or to ensure that everyone gets the message. They have probably informed you of how they will notify you in their re-opening plan, which will be available on their website.[/quote]
I never said I didn't believe you? I just said all I got was a text from school so back off. they have not informed me of anything else no, and I don't have a "reopening plan" nor have I been directed to their website.

I simply told you what had happened. I haven't argued the legality of it nor have I accused you of lying.

This is why people are pissed off with teachers. Comments like this.*

I teach. I have says this. The teaching staff I with haven't either.

As someone who teaches and someone who now has Covid and is struggling to recover from it, I do get frustrated with people who have no intention is isolating their children when asked to.

There's no guarantee I will have immunity. I truly hope I do, at least for a while. But in the meantime I will return to work and hope that anyone who has to isolate will do so to prevent others feeling this poorly, and to prevent me from having to do this again in a few months time.

I don't know the answer. And I know self isolation is rubbish, regardless of age. But short term self isolation might be our only form of protection right now.

@Aragog

* This is why people are pissed off with teachers. Comments like this.*

I teach. I have says this. The teaching staff I with haven't either.

As someone who teaches and someone who now has Covid and is struggling to recover from it, I do get frustrated with people who have no intention is isolating their children when asked to.

There's no guarantee I will have immunity. I truly hope I do, at least for a while. But in the meantime I will return to work and hope that anyone who has to isolate will do so to prevent others feeling this poorly, and to prevent me from having to do this again in a few months time.

I don't know the answer. And I know self isolation is rubbish, regardless of age. But short term self isolation might be our only form of protection right now.

I haven't even complained about isolation. My son is isolating now. It's shit. We hate it. Still doing it.

I'm complaining about teachers whining that parents only care about childcare insinuating that they just want rid of their kids. Instead of you know having to work to feed their kids. It's disgusting and I wouldn't want anyone with that attitude teaching my child.

@TrustTheGeneGenie
I'm complaining about teachers whining that parents only care about childcare insinuating that they just want rid of their kids. Instead of you know having to work to feed their kids. It's disgusting and I wouldn't want anyone with that attitude teaching my child.
And there are many, many teachers who are sick of parents with the attitude like yours, who are happy to put teachers health at risk by not self-isolating and the Government seeing us as a disposable commodity.

[quote LadyPenelope68]@TrustTheGeneGenie
I'm complaining about teachers whining that parents only care about childcare insinuating that they just want rid of their kids. Instead of you know having to work to feed their kids. It's disgusting and I wouldn't want anyone with that attitude teaching my child.
And there are many, many teachers who are sick of parents with the attitude like yours, who are happy to put teachers health at risk by not self-isolating and the Government seeing us as a disposable commodity.[/quote]
Please can you explain how I am putting teachers health at risk by not isolating my child when I am in fact isolating my child as we fucking speak??? Go on I'd love to hear it.

I'm complaining about teachers whining that parents only care about childcare insinuating that they just want rid of their kids. Instead of you know having to work to feed their kids. It's disgusting and I wouldn't want anyone with that attitude teaching my child

Teachers are paid to educate, be it in the classroom or remotely. They are not there to risk their lives as parents want childcare for whatever reason, the person responsible for the child and their care are the parents not their teachers.