School case - refusing to isolated child!

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A friend received an email from school saying her child had to self isolate for 14 days as a close contact from school has tested positive.

She is refusing to self isolate the child - saying you only need to when you have symptoms.

She has been in contact with the rest of the class parents and they are also not isolating their children!!! Some already gone on holiday, already been to swimming lessons etc.

This is crazy!!!

@Dustballs assuming this is U.K. it absolutely is the law to self isolate if you are a defined contact and asked to isolate

@Ashard20

What a load of old shite. You cannot possibly say that considering we didn't have a chance to be allowed to take any social responsibility.

Indeed there have been many opportunities for people to demonstrate social responsibility...but instead of pulling together, we have anti-vaccine, conspiracy theory protests with no masks or social distancing to name but one example.
I know for sure what the NHS' reaction to all of that is - one of despair. A mask is not an infringement of human rights, it's a sign that we're in it together.
I know from my own experience of aggressive and intimidating parents that there is a blatant refusal to stick to the rules, whether it be observing the one way system to the entrance and exit, the refusal to wear a mask despite it clearly being communicated as a local authority rule when picking up and dropping off, or the closure of an entire bubble because a child has been sent in despite testing positive.
Imagine how the country would have coped if there had been greater freedom to start with!!

Anti vaxxers have and conspiracy theorists have always been about. They're a tiny minority so stop pretending they're the reason.

Masks do not show we are all in it together what a bizzarre thing to say.

It would have been very different at the start. People are weary now. They've been lied to, they've lost jobs, their mental health is shot. Now is a very different time than the start of this. You have 0 idea how more freedom would have gone in the start.

here you go, @Dustballs

The same was true in spain and children had to stay in during their lockdown for months not weeks

Just because Spain did it to their children doesn't make it right.

sorry, and where there is abuse, someone needs to support the family
Because all abuse in the home is noticeable to the outside world isnt it as long as they don't spread covid though that abuse is ok 👍

That’s difficult for them. But the science says 14 days is necessary. It doesn’t care how hard it is to stay indoors for 14 days. The same was true in Spain and children had to stay in during their lockdown for months not weeks

Yeah that worked really well didn't I I mean their numbers are super low now aren't they. A total success. Oh... Wait.

Masks do not show we are all in it together what a bizzarre thing to say.
By wearing a mask, I am protecting you.
By wearing a mask, you are protecting me.

How is that bizarre?

Oops, link not working and legislation.gov.uk down. See this article, @Dustballs:

www.wga.co.uk/blog/the-new-health-protection-coronavirus-restrictions-self-isolation-england-regulations-2020-explained

@Ashard20

Masks do not show we are all in it together what a bizzarre thing to say. By wearing a mask, I am protecting you. By wearing a mask, you are protecting me.

How is that bizarre?

I see. I don't think we're in it all together at all, and this thread shows exactly why. Masks make not a shit of difference.

It’s fourteen days, not forever. They can go into the garden as well as the house. With technology, toys, crafts, tv etc it’s not a total hardship for the majority.

Mine understand the rules and laws and know we comply to protect others as well as ourselves. I don’t want them to grow up selfish and only care about their own wants.

The trouble is that the inequalities and different attitudes will only exacerbate the educational inequalities already in evidence in this country. Those children in more affluent areas may be more able to isolate, do online classes and a bit of exercise in their garden or their parents exercise machines. Their parents will be SAHP or wfh so can keep an eye on them. The transmission will stop and they will be back in schools.

Those in less affluent areas won't have the access to the Internet so freely so will fall behind in their studies, will go crazy in flats and parents will let them out or their parents will be at work so not able to keep them in. Grandparents will step in for childcare. Older children will still meet each other and pass the virus on so when they return to school it won't be long before they are all sent home again.

@Dustballs

It is far too long. 2 weeks. Most kids round here live in tiny flats with no outdoor space.

You imprison kids like this. Fine for those in large houses maybe.

And what about kids in abusive households?

It is not law. It is not enforceable and people need to stop judging.

You do realise that isolation is to stop spread of disease. The virus spreads regardless of your circumstances. Suggesting that people in small houses should not be forced to isolate is everything that is wrong with this country

It's not forever, but it could be repeated multiple times for each dc and the cumulative effects will be felt more greatly. 14 days of no real exercise would mess with my mental health quite severely and I don't see why young children would be any different, particularly when in normal times they spend much of their time active and outdoors.

It's not selfish or uncaring to value your own needs, to want to stay well and healthy and sane. It's not uncaring to feel you're being held responsible for something completely outwith your control.

IF testing was widely and quickly available, IF results were returned swiftly, IF efficient contact tracing was occurring, then I'd have less of a problem with my DC being involved in a system that was working to drive down transmission rates.

As it is, my DC aren't even allowed to go to the middle of field to run around away from anyone else without us being deemed murderers by mnetters, but in truth they posed far more of a risk before we even knew about the positive case and we would have been fined for NOT taking them to school.. Now the risk is minute (average incubation is the first week, not the second) the harm is most definitely being done to the ones in isolation.

Exactly, it's not just one 14 days. dd1s done 14 days, swiftly followed by dd2 14 days and just this evening apparently lots of dd1s year have been told to isolate so I dare say we are looking at her isolating again. All since beginning of October. I'm not saying it's not necessary. They can stay in, miss work, get others to cover their weekend jobs, miss their sport, have limited online schooling. We'll do it of course. And when any of us get symptoms we will do it again. But forgive me if I feel that this winter is going to get v frustrating and we will all need a moan now and again.

@3littlewords

My DS had to isolate last week because of a close contact in school he tells me some of his classmates have been playing out 🤦‍♀️

only 10% of people are "isolating" for 14 days when they should.

@KindKylie it was 6 days from being in contact with the positive person to my ds being told to isolate, whilst I'm glad he only had to isolate for 8 days rather than 14 I did think what was the point starting to isolate 6 days in

The original lockdown allowed exercise outside, and outside has always been proven to have lower transmission risk. So I do wonder if those contacts who have never had symptoms really couldn't be allowed out for one daily exercise, under an hour, only if wearing a mask (or under 3), must not go in playground nor any building. I can understand enforcement is hard if people are allowed out once and then can just lie, so perhaps have a time of day such as 2-3pm only (it would also help everyone else be more cautious with staying home or wear masks even in the street at that time). It might make isolation more doable for kids and especially people of any age in flats or who has pets.

DS (secondary) has just been told to isolate for the rest of half term because there has been 2 cases in his year. He's been cooped up in a classroom all half term with shortened breaks due to covid.

I am happy to abandon any plans we had, but I really struggle with the no outdoor exercise bit. DS has aspergers and anxiety issues (which are currently well managed) but he will always go out walking. It is like a therapy for him. This was meant to be a time to refresh himself for next term, but I worry what this will do to his mental health. There are routes where he could walk where I know he wouldn't need to go near others - seems so sad to restrict him when it is such a low risk activity. And for those living in flats, they are being treated worse than prisoners. I much preferred lockdown.

At my school, we had one case in year 11. A few students got sent home to isolate.

Around that time, one student (in the same class as the best friend of the original case) was sent home with a cough on the Friday. He came back on the Monday. I asked him where he went to get a test so quickly. It was absolutely obvious from his response that he had not had one at all. He went on to cough over the other students in that group for a week, before being forced to isolate himself.

Two others in that group and several more in year 11 went down as positive. There were so many links between the positives that we had to shut an entire exam year. I am convinced Sir Hacks A Lot was responsible for a good amount of that cluster.

There is absolutely no justification for a child old enough to stay at home by themselves to come into school. I don't care what your circumstances are. 350 kids in my school are now missing a fortnight of their exam year.

I have every sympathy with parents of primary children or children with SEN who just cannot afford to take time off. Anyone else is just being an absolute selfish twat.

@Gloschick - there is an exception for learning disabilities, if he really can't cope and you can keep good distance from others then it's worth being aware of this.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection
"People with learning disabilities, autism or serious mental illnesses
Not all these measures will be possible if you, or those you live with, have conditions such as learning disabilities, autism or serious mental illnesses. Follow this guidance to the best of your ability, whilst keeping yourself and those close to you safe and well, ideally in line with any existing care plans."

@Nellodee and any other teachers - It doesn't help the situation caused by that idiotic family, but going forward the government guidance suggests you can send any kid like that home. I posted about it in the data thread when I saw 22nd October update, see Section 1 Prevention:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/actions-for-schools-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/guidance-for-full-opening-schools.

Both my children are isolating as contacts. One is year 11. I work in a primary and cases there but not in my bubble yet...
I foresee us as a family being in and out of isolation all winter. Depressed about it but my kids are not out and about...

We've already had a 10 day isolation for positive DD and now another 14 days as her little brother is positive. 28 days out of work for keyworker DH and 28 days for me. And this is just the start of it all. I will stick to the rules but I can see why the temptation is there to break them when I know other dc in the same bubble are going to go out during half term regardless. In the last 20 days, I've left the house twice and now can't go out for another 12 days. It is psychologically more difficult than I thought.

Oh @dustballs get a bloody cop on will you.

The incubation period is 5 days. 14 days isolation is too long and will lead to people not isolating at all. Even the CMO or maybe Deputy CMO saud it was 5 data, at one of the recent press conferences.

It’s fourteen days, not forever. They can go into the garden as well as the house. With technology, toys, crafts, tv etc it’s not a total hardship for the majority.

Wow @IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Just wow

What an assumption to make.