School case - refusing to isolated child!

[Pixilulu]

A friend received an email from school saying her child had to self isolate for 14 days as a close contact from school has tested positive.

She is refusing to self isolate the child - saying you only need to when you have symptoms.

She has been in contact with the rest of the class parents and they are also not isolating their children!!! Some already gone on holiday, already been to swimming lessons etc.

This is crazy!!!

As long as the majority are alright.. Never mind the rest.

I don’t want them to grow up selfish and only care about their own wants.

It sounds as though you're doing a good job at bringing them up selfish and merely happy with their lifestyle/what's no big deal for them and those exactly like them though @IceCreamAndCandyfloss -

The lesson your kids will be learning is screw everyone beneath us.

Let's be honest. This is house arrest. Self isolation sounds less harsh, and actually, also like there is actually an element of choice in it.

Suggesting that people in small houses should not be forced to isolate is everything that is wrong with this country

I didn't suggest people in small houses shouldn't be forced to isolate. I mentioned flats with no gardens filled with loads of kids, single rooms with whole families trapped inside.

Where do you lot live? Not all of you - but so many on here seem oblivious to the fact that we don't all live in houses with gardens etc

We have been told that children don’t have or spread the virus.

Does anyone really believe that children can't spread this virus?
It would be pretty much the only thing they can't spread. Which is clearly not going to be the case.
They may not show symptoms but I'm pretty sure they spread it.

Infact I can't see how I caught it, if it wasn't from a child in one of my classes. I haven't had close contact with anyone else but my dh. And he hasn't had symptoms or been in contact with anyone who has tested positive either. The only people I've had close contact with is the various children I teach with no SDjbg every week.

*It's not forever, but it could be repeated multiple times for each dc and the cumulative effects will be felt more greatly. 14 days of no real exercise would mess with my mental health quite severely and I don't see why young children would be any different, particularly when in normal times they spend much of their time active and outdoors.

It's not selfish or uncaring to value your own needs, to want to stay well and healthy and sane. It's not uncaring to feel you're being held responsible for something completely outwith your control.

IF testing was widely and quickly available, IF results were returned swiftly, IF efficient contact tracing was occurring, then I'd have less of a problem with my DC being involved in a system that was working to drive down transmission rates.*

Every word of this makes sense to me @KindKylie

I hope people here will re read this post. Please do. "it's not selfish or uncaring to value your own needs, to want to stay well and healthy and sane."

And in the meantime - hypothetically - DC who is currently isolating will be (if infected) passing Covid onto the rest of his/her family - who are happily free to go out and pass their Covid germs onto anyone and everyone.

It's not selfish or uncaring to value your own needs, to want to stay well and healthy and sane.
Hence it's not unreasonable to expect people to follow the rules. Yet, on the other side, somehow it is " lacking in empathy, screwing everyone beneath us," oh and " passing Covid onto the rest of his/her family who are happily free to go out and pass their Covid germs onto anyone and everyone."

Er...and if they came into school, they would be doing that to their family and also passing it onto staff and class mates.
I think you have just proved why it is so important to follow the law...

Very muddled post @Ashard20

Sorry I don't see your point.

I'm a law-abider with vaccinated kid but unfortunately we have a PM who ended the first lockdown defending Dominic Cummings - still in his very well-aid post because "he did nothing wrong and has nothing to apologise for".

If our own PM says cross-country drives, bluebell woods and scenic village visits WITH A POSITIVE TEST are all fine, I don't see why anyone with the capacity for reasoned thinking would feel obligated to follow the rules just because of possible contact...

There does seem to be a fair number of people who think "me/my family could handle 14 days SI in our garden with our games consoles easily so everyone else is an irresponsible/evil person", without stopping to consider that (A) lots of families and kids in poverty don't have those kind of resources - and (B) the differences in international outcomes to Covid are complex but we alone have a PM who spectacularly undermined any pretence of in-it-together social cohesion, amongst all the other failures of leadership.

Lest we forget where the blame for this actually lies - why should poor kids be held to a higher standard than our prime minister?

@WoolyMammoth55

I'm a law-abider with vaccinated kid but unfortunately we have a PM who ended the first lockdown defending Dominic Cummings - still in his very well-aid post because "he did nothing wrong and has nothing to apologise for".

If our own PM says cross-country drives, bluebell woods and scenic village visits WITH A POSITIVE TEST are all fine, I don't see why anyone with the capacity for reasoned thinking would feel obligated to follow the rules just because of possible contact...

There does seem to be a fair number of people who think "me/my family could handle 14 days SI in our garden with our games consoles easily so everyone else is an irresponsible/evil person", without stopping to consider that (A) lots of families and kids in poverty don't have those kind of resources - and (B) the differences in international outcomes to Covid are complex but we alone have a PM who spectacularly undermined any pretence of in-it-together social cohesion, amongst all the other failures of leadership.

Lest we forget where the blame for this actually lies - why should poor kids be held to a higher standard than our prime minister?

Because our prime minister is a grade A twat and the majority of the people who have to suffer under him are not.

@dustballs - you've forgotten your own comments then?

They can't have it both ways.

Either kids don't really get it or spread it, and schools are safe.

Or kids do get it and spread it and need to isolate when they've bene near it.

Dustballs

We have been told that children don’t have symptoms or spread the virus. That is why it’s safe for us to send our kids to school and safe for teachers to be there.

Not ‘don’t’, are least likely to. It’s based on research to date, however, this is less than a year in and the research continues to develop. Meanwhile we need to do what we can to slow the spread and isolating after close contact with someone who tests positive is part of what most of us can do.

OH AND!

If the government hadn't spent £12 BILLION on their failed privatised test and trace system, but had given that money to the NHS to implement a working system instead, then there's every reason to think we'd be one of the well-run countries with testing capacity so that contacts could be TESTED instead of having to SI... I think Singapore tests contacts on day 1 of identifying, then again on day 3, day 5 and day 7. In between your tests you can live your life because you don't have the virus...

There's nothing accidental or inevitable about this shit-show we're living in. It's all down to political incompetence, denial, cronyism and the false ideology that it was an "either save lives or the economy" choice - in fact if you don't get a grip on the virus you lose (as we have) BOTH lives and economically - while in NZ they are living normal lives because they have a strong leader who saved both.

Oh god now I need a drink!

As someone else said further upstream.

I'd happily take part in the house arrest experiment if I thought it was part of a well thought out and planned, well oiled piece of track and trace efficiency.

But as it stands this is just another part of The Shitshow. So should my children have to self isolate we will not be taking part in it.

Children at school cause big increases in the community rates of COVID as children DO catch and spread COVID.

www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-r-rate-school-closures-lockdown-lancet-study-b1251617.html

It is not law. It is not enforceable and people need to stop judging

Anyone not complying with the guidelines is prolonging the outbreak and taking away others freedom long term.

Which will have a greater impact on jobs and the cost of living. People will be paying for this virus for years to come.

But as long as the kids had a nice time at the park ...

I don’t blame her. This isolation crap for kids is ridiculous .... so good on her.

Taken from the Gov.UK site

*Legal requirements for self-isolation
You could be fined if you do not stay at home and self-isolate following a positive test result for COVID-19, or if you are a contact of someone who has tested positive, and you are notified by NHS Test and Trace that you need to self-isolate.

It is also an offence to knowingly provide false information about your close contacts to NHS Test and Trace.

Failure to comply with these requirements may result in a fine of up to £10,000. These regulations only apply in England.*

It is the law.

@WoolyMammoth55

You do know why don’t you ? He had a vunerable child and if you read the rules on gov uk you are allowed to arrange childcare for a vulnerable child . He did not break social distancing rules and did not mix households . Which is more than I can say for a lot of hypocrites on here .

Lemmings the lot of you .

You could be fined if you do not stay at home and self-isolate following a positive test result for COVID-19, or if you are a contact of someone who has tested positive, and you are notified by NHS Test and Trace that you need to self-isolate.

These kids/parents/families are not being notified by NHS Test and Trace. They are being advised by the school that they should isolate.

That is why it is not law @Ashard20

My son and his whole class and the class above all have to isolate for 14 days because a teacher got a positive test.
To be totally honest he hasn't been just in the house. But he hasn't been inside anywhere or near anyone. I had to take him to the supermarket but he never left the car. The rule i suppose we've broken is that we went for a walk. However we live ina very rural area opposite open moorland... it was also raining heavily so we walked for an hour across the moors and didn't see a single soul not even from far away.
I'll probably do that with him again, im not keeping him locked in the house for two weeks (unless he develops symptoms in which case I won't even take him on the moor)

to add we do not have a garden because its open moorland very steep hills. We are moorland one side of the terrace and roadside the other