Stricter measures than ever before. Wales to restrict what supermarkets can sell.

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194

We didn't have that in the "first wave". Despite some confusion, it was perfectly OK for essential shops to also sell non-essentials, and for customers to purchase them on the same visit as doing essential shopping. Now, in Wales, it's not OK, the stated reason being "fairness" to small businesses.

I think this could be a first sign of things to come. I fully expect measures at least as strict as, and possibly stricter than, what we saw in March. And I expect local to become regional to become national. Because anything less just isn't keeping Covid-19 under control.

Yes that is, less than two days of notice.
And in my eyes means leaving people without quick access to things the may need that day.
How is buying online helping small retailers?

I agree with the restrictions on non essentials

If non essential shops have to close then it’s not fair that supermarkets etc profit from goods that people could have bought from local independents and smaller shops

Gov explained that’s why they stopped it

To make it fairer

"It’s not essential to buy them for 2 weeks though, is it? And as others have said, if it really is get them online. It’s an attempt to level the playing field and not give all the money to Tesco et al.
It does need to be explained better though."

Yes as a foster parent clothing can be essential and it can be needed right now, not in 24 hours time. I've had children come to me at very short notice with nothing more than the ill fitting, dirty, clothes they stand up in. Being able to go to Tesco et al for supplies is essential at times. I've needed to go out for babygrows/vests/PJs/clothes, I can't carry a range of clothing for every age of child who may come to me on an emergency placement.

@Ginogineli

I agree with the restrictions on non essentials

If non essential shops have to close then it’s not fair that supermarkets etc profit from goods that people could have bought from local independents and smaller shops

Gov explained that’s why they stopped it

To make it fairer

How does it make it smaller to small shops? Lots of big retailers still have online shops, lots of small high street shops don't.

My son is coming home from the forces for Christmas. Sorry Mark but this is his home. He is away for work!

@SorrelBlackbeak

"It’s an attempt to level the playing field and not give all the money to Tesco et al"

Much better to give the money to Amazon instead.

Or people could wait until the 9th...

@Ginogineli

I agree with the restrictions on non essentials

If non essential shops have to close then it’s not fair that supermarkets etc profit from goods that people could have bought from local independents and smaller shops

Gov explained that’s why they stopped it

To make it fairer

But as has been said, this won't help independent shops one bit, as people who still need 'non-essential' items likely won't wait for the (supposed) 17 days to be up and buy on the high street, but will order online, from a retailer very likely based outside of Wales.

It's a daft decision which helps nobody. Except Jeff Bezos.

How is restricting these items at Tesco et al going to stop these small businesses going to the wall? Is the money the small business lost due to this lockdown going to magically appear in their bank account if supermarkets stop selling these items.

Or people could wait until the 9th...

For the announcement that the restrictions are being extended. Almost inevitably.

*I agree with the restrictions on non essentials

If non essential shops have to close then it’s not fair that supermarkets etc profit from goods that people could have bought from local independents and smaller shops

Gov explained that’s why they stopped it

To make it fairer*
But you can't buy from independent shops because they are shut so you can't buy from anyone .
Honestly I don't get why you are ok with this .
I'm not in wales but tomorrow I'm going to buy some new slippers from Asda not essential but I want them why the hell shouldn't I buy them with my food shop ?
I'm sorry but the world has gone mad it's the fact some think it's fine although most on this thread don't .
Absolute potty

How is it levelling the playing field? That's the stupidest reason yet.

If you need a new duvet or a toy for your child's birthday you are not going to sit in the house like a dutiful, obedient Welshie and then head to your local high street after the restrictions are lifted. You will just order from Amazon or one of the other larger retailers online.

How is this even legal? Have the welsh assembly voted to pass this nonsense?

Fuck me. Are people really swallowing this bullshit? That'd be a great strategy for ending poverty and unemployment. Some people can't get a jobs so no one can have a job. Some people are living in poverty so everyone has to be poor because "that's fair."

It is very clear that Jeff Bezos has shares in the Welsh Labour party.

why else would they screw over every small B&M business to support the tax dodging internet sellers

@AllPlayedOut

*It’s not essential to buy them for 2 weeks though, is it? And as others have said, if it really is get them online. It’s an attempt to level the playing field and not give all the money to Tesco et al. It does need to be explained better though.*

If you need pants, a jacket or shoes then it is pretty essential. Not everyone can shop online either because they can't access it, don't have the knowledge to use online shopping or can't pay the delivery fees. And those who can shop online will just do that. I don't see them waiting the two plus weeks for the small shops to open again.

It's completely insane. It makes as much sense as ending homelessness by taking homes away from everyone who has one or helping wheelchair users by banning everyone else from walking . There is no justification for it.

Exactly how many people do you think there are with an urgent to the point it won’t wait 2 weeks need for new pants? Who couldn’t buy them in the week we’ve had since knowing it was coming? I work in a school (teacher). The high community numbers make my job more dangerous than it needs to be. I’m in favour of anything which can reduce it. Your complaint seems more anti-lockdown than any practical worry.

I'm intrigued which items aren't going to come with my supermarket delivery on Sunday. Might put some lightbulbs and a kettle in, just so I can feed back to this thread...

I reckon at least 80% of people will just buy stuff online in the next 17 days instead of waiting. I honestly can't believe the government think people will wait for their small independent shops to open. I order most stuff on Amazon instead of going to the shops these days anyway, lockdown or not, and I know a lot of people do.

Absolutely, bonkers. I just can’t see any sense in it at all. Who has the right to determine what’s essential?

If your child gets a tummy bug and vomits over their duvet
do you leave them with no duvet
because its not essential

I do hope that all restaurants and bars in the Welsh Assembly are shut
because they are
non essential

There are legitimate situations where one would need emergency access to items such as clothes though cardi. Fleeing DV is an exception to the stay home rule, but what if you flee with the clothes on your back and nothing else? Emergency fostering, babies born prematurely (or even just small enough that their prepared clothes are way too big)

@ImAllOut

I reckon at least 80% of people will just buy stuff online in the next 17 days instead of waiting. I honestly can't believe the government think people will wait for their small independent shops to open. I order most stuff on Amazon instead of going to the shops these days anyway, lockdown or not, and I know a lot of people do.

Of course they will.

Even in the darkest days of lockdown in April they never went this far. If a shop was open, you could buy anything it sold.

Does Wales have elections next May? If so, remember this shitshow when casting your vote.

We will wait 17 days if we can, but the question is that they are banning people from accessing items like clothes immediately for 17 days. The example of the foster carer is great. Same for someone in the local news for clothing for someone going into hospital. They could just restrict access to that area, instead of banning it. So if you need something you can actually get it.

The vomiting over the duvet is another one! How many of us have gone through several of them in one night?

Apologies if thi has been asked as not read the whole thread but are alcohol and cigarettes essential?

Currently around 30% of purchases are made online, but this has been a huge jump in 10 years. Although it's unlikely that 100% of shopping will ever be online, each incremental change will make it harder for bricks and mortar stores to make any sort of profit, particularly when the costs are higher than online operating costs.

It therefore seems a bit shortsighted to force people either to do without ( which will work for many things but not all) or go online as it embeds the default option of online to more people and for more transactions.

I've got candles, a gas camping stove, spare duvets and enough clothing to open my own shop. I can cope waiting 17 days, it's not me I'm worried about. But they genuinely don't seem to have considered what people - and emphatically those who are vulnerable in some way - may need in an emergency