Who thinks the new tier systems will actually work

[Sadless]

Just wondering if people think they will work and help bring the cases down enough where we might go lower down in tiers or is it not enough.

Sal

@PracticingPerson

I think the fact the restrictions in e.g. Manchester didn't reduce cases there suggest tier 2 is not likely to douch, sadly.

I'd be supportive of a circuit breaker lockdown.

The restrictions are useless when schools, colleges, universities, shops, restaurants, most pubs etc all stay open. Along with the fact the rules aren't followed with household mixing.

Half term will slow rates more than the half arsed measures in tier 2 or 3.

@Remmy123

Nothing works unless we all lockdown for months again.. but I'm not prepared to do that as most people, apart from most of MN on this forum who would love it .. 🙄

Agree.

I don't think localised lockdown work. We were essentially in tier 3 but with pubs open (shutting at 10) but no mixing with family at all for a month in Glasgow and Lanarkshire and have only seen cases go up.

Well I think they will work a bit. But as soon as restrictions are eased a bit infection rates will rise again. Because the virus is still out there. We can hide as long as we like - it's still there.

I don’t think people will ‘love it’. I think some people are worried. I think it’s a shame that people who have genuine concerns about the health of themselves and their loved ones are called hysterical etc on here.

I think there is a misguided view that just ‘getting on with it’ with no restrictions will be totally fine but won’t be normal if essential services and schools can’t be staffed because people are ill or isolating. Schools can’t function if staff are off, operations and cancer care can’t go on if the wards are full of COVID cases.

Sir Graham Brady spoke well on R4 this morning. A circuit breaker is likely to be extended and if not it will have to happen regularly. The damage would be extreme. If we can slow growth without it it would be better.

What I mean is ....’no restrictions’ is really not an option the govt would take because of there is also a social and economic cost of that. We truly are between a rock and a hard place.

Half term will slow rates more than the half arsed measures in tier 2 or 3.

Absolutely.

No. Tier 2 here and I don't know anyone who's complying or even knows the rules.

Groups still meeting in pubs, visitors round houses etc.

Then I question what's the point when schools are open, when I can get called into a meeting at school and sit in a room for 2 hours, less than 1m apart with 8 other people and no windows open. Some of those people move from school to school, which have cases of CV. One of those adults was in contact with a staff member the day before our meeting who then tested positive a day after our meeting.
The whole meeting could have been done via teams, but because it's a workplace, anything goes.

And my other son who goes to another secondary with multiple cases, who's been sitting in class with at least three children whose both parents were then confirmed positve.

Oh, and then the two current simultaneous cases in my son's secondary school class, the case in his class 2 weeks ago, and the multiple cases in his school.

My aunt lives alone and has proceeded to visit everybody and anybody. Her reasoning is that she can be in an infinite number of support bubbles with others because she lives alone...

I don’t get why people are obsessed with circuit breakers ? Theywon’t work either

Pubs bars and restaurants will close - many are closed and those that are open are barely making ends meet anyway. Closing them in low risk areas seems bad - why punish businesses were infection is low. Is it case of ‘if I suffer, we all suffer?’

Schools and colleges Boris said would stay open anyway

Work from home if you can - well most businesses now are back to work and many will now use the excuse that it needs to be on site. People - employers- are now not as scared and people will be forced to go to work in much higher numbers than the original lockdown

No social contact - again won’t have the effect as people no longer fear the virus - those breaking the rules will continue to do so. We’ve had months of rules and restrictions and news so if people were going to follow the rules they’d be doing it by now

All these restrictions do is limit those following the rules

Everyone else just carries on regardless so only the compliant are affected really

I follows distancing and wear masks etc if mandated to but I work full time in a building with 40 staff coming into contact with another 20-30 different people each day. I share phones, hot desk and eat lunch on a table of 6. So no I won’t distance outside of work because I know I’d have to work during a circuit breaker too as will all the other millions of ‘essential busineses’

*All these restrictions do is limit those following the rules

Everyone else just carries on regardless so only the compliant are affected really*

And those compliant are more careful anyway.

The combination of schools and masses of university students marauding around campuses and city centres is the general cause of the spread. It's not a coincidence that Covid rates were near zero in Liverpool, for example, in July/August and then skyrocketed in September.

I don’t think of it is all students

I think September is when workplaces fully went capacity too as kids went back to achool

@Ginogineli

I don’t think of it is all students

I think September is when workplaces fully went capacity too as kids went back to achool

Yes, the government's 'get back to the office' campaign coinciding with the return of schools and university was breathtakingly stupid. The scientists had warned in August we'd reached the peak of what we could open without a huge spike in cases. That was designed to say if schools go back we'd need to scale back on other things, not open more things back.

Nope our town which tier 1 was busier than ever at night lot was from tier 2 but was easy to meet here with friends as rule of 6 apply and can meet indoors

.As we are a border town easy to do .Though to be fair the surrounding tier 2 areas numbers are lower than ours in tier 1

Ginger

Do you mean tier 1 people from elsewhere had travelled to go out in your tier 2 town?
I thought tier 2 had also banned mixing inside.

Got tiers mixed up... ignore me!

If people follow the rules, then yes.

I don't understand the confusion though - it seems very clear to me. I think people are just looking for an excuse to break the rules and do what they want.

For context border is not even 1/4 mile so can also see why tier 2 would go out here. We are for some in tier 2 there nearest town .

Our nearest hospital is tier 2 so works both ways .I cross in and out of tiers just walking the dog

Even the app is confused as lists as medium /high risk (postcode is both sides of the border

@Gingerninja4 Are you in Bishop Stortford?!!

OP, no the tiers won’t work because the Government completely undermined them by agreeing to Essex going into Tier 2 despite having lower cases than many Tier 1 areas. The indignation that this has caused means that many people are not willing to follow the rules at all anymore.

Manchester has been basically tier 2 since July, I’ve found that pubs/restaurants happily serving tables of 6 with mixed households throughout to be honest. I’ve not done it just the two of us or a bubble friend. I think they were grateful of the custom.i don’t think it was actually a law restriction at that point I’m unsure.

Our rate is levelling off, not majorly doubling weekly or crazily but the local lockdown We’ve been in for months before the tiers didn’t stop cases rising. The government lied Education was always going to spread it.

I don’t think people will ‘love it’. I think some people are worried. I think it’s a shame that people who have genuine concerns about the health of themselves and their loved ones are called hysterical etc on here.

Plenty of people on here openly admit that they did love it though, and that they can't understand why other people didn't.

I have in fact seen people who did not cope well with lockdown also called hysterical, anxious, lacking in resilience.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of people who are pro lockdown are those who are vulnerable and those in secure jobs.

If we do end up in another lockdown I think we will see that public mood has shifted a lot.

@BunsyGirl

Yes ,you obviously know how border issues are here

August
Eat Out to Help Out
September
Bugger off back home

If Tier 3 lockdowns actually worked, why are there still cases in Leicester
which has been in full Tier 3 for several months

I’m not sure it is schools fuelling transmission. That’s not to say it CAN’T be spread in schools, that’s a ridiculous statement to make. But in our area where community cases are low the bubbles seem to be working. For example - school around here sent their KS1 bubble of 210 pupils home because of 2 cases, then 3 more were found but that was it, all pupils back later this week. Same sort of thing in other schools. If schools were a key driver of transmission you’d expect more spread than just a couple of extras coming out after isolation. I think it’s socialising which is the key driver of transmission.

They already aren't. Some concession needs to be made so that people can see family members indoors. If people think they won't be able to do this for the foreseeable future then they won't comply.