Who thinks the new tier systems will actually work

[Sadless]

Just wondering if people think they will work and help bring the cases down enough where we might go lower down in tiers or is it not enough.

Sal

I am in tier 3 area from today and I have a secondary school age child which has had a whole year group sent home at the beginning of September but no thing since then. I have a child what attends a special school with children from 2 to 18 years and not 1 case in there yet. My daughter attends college in a town with higher rate then us and she doesn't know any one with it yet. It seems like they are blaming the pubs for all the spread with most restrictions to do with them. Plus don't think any one is sticking to much now my neighbours have visitors coming and going all day.

They will probably leave it a week then go for a circuit break

Sal

I think the fact the restrictions in e.g. Manchester didn't reduce cases there suggest tier 2 is not likely to douch, sadly.

I'd be supportive of a circuit breaker lockdown.

douch = do much

I don't think it will work as the areas that have had similar restrictions to the current 'tier 2' in place for some time (eg Liverpool, Lancashire) have seen an increase in cases despite the restrictions.

And most people here (tier 2) seem to be quite openly ignoring the restrictions.

@monkeytennis97

No. Schools are the virus breeding ground.

This.

I think Tier 3 may have a limited positive effect on numbers but otherwise, no, they won't work. And Tier 3 will go straight back up as soon as they lift it.

I'm not a lockdown fan but they should be done the two week circuit break 3-4 weeks ago. Instead they've dithered (again) and the opportunity has been lost, and we're probably in for months this bollocks.

I have no idea. There is so much conflicting information, coloured by a vast range of - usually uninformed - opinions.

The idea of localised lock downs seems sensible on the surface, but there appears to be a large number of experts who say that it doesn't go nearly far enough.

Maybe it would help if the Government published its thinking and some of the context, so people could have a better understanding and make a more informed decision but given the experience to date I don't hold out much hope.

i think schools will close for christmas and stay closed through jan

Tier 3 here and people are starting to get incredibly fucked off with restrictions. Our town barely made it out of lockdown at all.

I'm following restrictions at the moment but it's just starting so seem so pointless when nobody else seems to be!

No cos it’s not one thing

People blaming pubs but pubs were open in Summwr

Are we forgetting that almost the whole country has gone back to work ?

Nope. Tier 3 here. People don't give a shit. It was beyond control with crime in Liverpool already. I'm over the water and it's just getting worse here. Teenagers gathering en masse to set fireworks off at cars and people in Birkenhead nightly. Police can't contain it. Social distancing and rules don't come close day to day. It's a free for all. Survival of who can kick off the loudest and be the most aggressive. It was a scary mentality to contend with before this.
Single mum only doing the school run getting abuse from teenagers on bikes. Popping to Asda you get their parents and others old enough to know better shouting about masks/conspiracy theories and trying to intimidate anyone in their way. It's like there's an excuse now to be as entitled and moronic as you like. Fuck anyone else.
Honestly starting to wonder if there are any decent people left.

A lot of people on here blaming schools and wanting them shut again.

So do we never open schools ever again? Because this virus really isn't going anywhere. And we may never get a vaccine.

Distance learning at primary level is not education.

So if schools are so badly to blame shall we just shut schools for good and forget about education altogether?

well it won't be 'for good' will it?

They've already made the rules different in difference places, so much for being less confusing.

No. The transmissions are coming from work, schools and universities, none if which will close. The tier 3 like restrictions in other cities have shown no effect at all. Cases have exploded. People are fed up being told not to see their parents.

Also as a previous PP said, this is a virus. Its biology. It's not able to be beaten by complying with rules. People are obsessed with the idea that following the rules of a government that has no clue what it's doing will fix this and people just need to 'comply'. It wont.

Unfortunately not because I think it's too confusing for people.. Inspite of covid people are busy with their own lives and this covid noise is going on in the background...

This explains it so well.

I don’t even know what Tier I’m in or what I can or can’t do. Everything just seems so ridiculous now that I feel like I’ve just lost the energy to care about it all. I’m fed up of “the rules” and seeing people argue over who is seeing who, who went where, how many people were there etc etc

I’ve just been on another thread where they were discussing whether it’s ok to allow someone to walk through their house so they could get to the back garden and I just thought, “How has life come to this that people are arguing over whether someone can walk though someone else’s front door?!”

It feels like the world has gone crazy.

Yes I know there’s a pandemic and we all have to do what we can etc etc but still, life feels ludicrous at the moment.

I go out to work surrounded by people, my husband goes out to work surrounded by people, my eldest son is in school, my youngest is with a childminder so is mingling with all her family, including two children who go to school, and all the other children that go there too.

This is my life, and I imagine the life of thousands of other people - so I really can’t get het up about whether a member of my family is in my house when “the rules” say they shouldn’t be.

I wear my mask in all areas required and I socially distance when I can......which certainly isn’t at the school gates where there are hordes of us all gathering together.

I think people will stop bothering about the Tiers or trying to make sense of them because it’s all just become too complicated.

The majority of society is well and truly fed up with it all. We are humans and it’s in our nature to want to be around other people, especially our friends and family.

I’ve seen some people state they think these restrictions will be here for another year - and I’m sorry, but I think people are going to stop complying long before then.

My sympathies lie with the Government because there is no right answer, I would hate to be Boris right now because no matter what he does he will be open to criticism.

I’m sure he sees the logic to the decisions he’s making but unfortunately for him, not many others can.

@milkysmum

Probably explains why you are teir 3 then.

I have no sympathy for the Government at all. They have had EIGHT MONTHS to get something sorted. Something that actually works but they would rather hand contracts to private companies. They cant let go of their ideology even in a pandemic.
And now they want the public to pay the price.

Not until schools/colleges bring in social distancing and masks is there any hope.
Beyond stupid to send them all back into packed classrooms and corridors.
Every time they show a classroom on tv there seems to be about 5 kids in the room, why not show the reality?

Another point to consider, all after school clubs have resumed too so swimming, gymnastics, dance...so even more opportunity for parents and chn to mix with other households.

@helenadove

To be fair, no government in the world has got a handle on this epidemic. All countries are failing

All of the areas that have been in tier 2 style restrictions for ages have seen cases increase

So no I don’t think they’ll work

It’s tinkering around the ages to pretend to do something.

Which causes far more malingering damage to the economy than a short sharp circuit break would have Fine a month ago.

A decent test and trace is what we really need.

[quote GirlCrush]@helenadove

To be fair, no government in the world has got a handle on this epidemic. All countries are failing[/quote]
New Zealand? Many countries in the Far East?

@Juststopswimming

A lot of people on here blaming schools and wanting them shut again.

So do we never open schools ever again? Because this virus really isn't going anywhere. And we may never get a vaccine.

Distance learning at primary level is not education.

So if schools are so badly to blame shall we just shut schools for good and forget about education altogether?

It doesn’t have to be fill on distance learning. It can be half in half out so children still have constant contact with teachers and friends most of the time. They’d be more motivated and helped than with full distance learning. Ideally they’d be in full time with more space. Allowing actual social distancing would lower transmission massively. It’s what most other countries have done.

No as pp said it to confusing, also open to abuse.