Urgent - can two households still mix in restaurants?

[buttery81]

I just read that London is going into tier two lockdown from midnight tomorrow, which means no households mixing indoors.

My question is, can two households still mix in a restaurant or pub? Just asking because my brother and SIL were due to come to my house for lunch on Saturday with my nephew, which is no longer allowed. Could we book a restaurant instead?

It's a bit silly if we can as presumably it puts us all at more risk, but if it's a way around the rules then we will do it!

Yes, childcare is fine and people can continue to go to work including cleaners and housekeepers.

One small mercy is that we're not going to collectively pretend that parents can work from home simultaneously with caring for small children again .

It is confusing that tier 1=medium. What will happen if we ever get to dip below that, tier 0?

But unfortunately, you’re about to become tier 2, so your only real option is something outdoors.

“The pub could check IDs with proof of address.”

But if you’ve formed a support bubble with another household as a single person then your addresses will be different.

Yes @LondonExpatLife

www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high#childcare

No, you can't mix indoors.
Tier 2 you can sit outside rule of 6 if they have outdoor seating though.

@sunshinesupermum

I'm supposed to be seeing DD1 and my grandsons in their home on Sunday - only 5 of us in one house and I'd be driving there. After only two meetings together this year after lockdown ended I am so upset to be missing out on their childhood. I'm the one at risk of illhealth, not them, as am not mixing otherwise at all. Really bad for my mental health.

But if you live on your own and your DD1 is a single parent, surely you can form a support bubble?

You sound like you just want to have a problem OP with your stupid grinning face emoji and your ‘how will they enforce it’ shite.
I’ve just found out one of my children won’t get the urgent medical treatment they need because of covid. People need to stop looking for loopholes and do what they’re asked.

No, although you can meet outdoors.

Near me, restaurants ask how many households and refuse the booking If you say more than one. I think most are desperate to stay open so don’t flout the rules.

@BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze

You sound like you just want to have a problem OP with your stupid grinning face emoji and your ‘how will they enforce it’ shite. I’ve just found out one of my children won’t get the urgent medical treatment they need because of covid. People need to stop looking for loopholes and do what they’re asked.

Sorry to hear that - v difficult for your family

I hope other people will do the right thing so your child CAN get the treatment they need soon x

I'm going to Wales in November - it will be exactly a year since I last saw my Father who has been shielding. I'm going to sleep in his garage and use his outside lavvy. I've booked (finally been allowed to) holiday specifically for this. We will socialise outside - we'll go for a walk on the beach. I'm really worried about him because he's been sounding more and more depressed.

I look on it as a welfare check - he's 80 and hasn't seen anyone outside of his house (he lives alone) since January - his surgery has done two telephone appts to check on him and that is it. He shops once a week at the village spar and doesn't take public transport anywhere now. He doesn't drive. He hasn't got many years left and he's asked me to go.

Shoot me - or try to fine me - I don't care

@JaceLancs

I can see I will be doing same as I did on cold wet days earlier in year Going to supermarket at a pre arranged time to meet people in car park We sat in our respective cars with windows down and had a socially distanced catch up - got me out of house too

Thank you - now I know how to organise my social life for next few months

Might go and chat down path to some non-drivers, but this should be less annoying to neighbours!

@ikeairgin: I think that IS a welfare check! I hope your dad is ok, & sure the visit will cheer him up

@MrMeeseekscando

there is a special rule for couples in a stable relationship (but not living together)

I'm sure Doris will tell you it's all perfectly clear. But he's also told us that it's perfectly reasonable not to follow rules, so I wouldn't take his word if he told me today was Thurday..

@ikeairgin. Wishing you well for your trip . It isn't only Covid that harms people. At some point we need to weigh the risks.

[quote PigletJohn]@MrMeeseekscando

there is a special rule for couples in a stable relationship (but not living together)

I'm sure Doris will tell you it's all perfectly clear. But he's also told us that it's perfectly reasonable not to follow rules, so I wouldn't take his word if he told me today was Thurday..[/quote]
It's all as clear as mud isn't it?

I really struggled last time. I hope there is a provision for us

@ikeairgin God that's heartbreaking, I bet your dad cant wait! Have a brilliant time when you get there.

Definitely no. And it's the restaurant who is meant to enforce it. So breeches bring them fines or at worst closure

@AlecTrevelyan006

No - because Covid is only due to arrive indoors in London restaurants at the weekend

It’s currently on its way down the M6/M40 from the north west

Lol

@GerardWay123

There are already Covid wardens doing spot checks in restaurants & pub/food premises. Apparently they are paid volunteers.

I don't really understand how this could work in reality? Driving licenses have addresses on of course so some will have them, but its hugely unlikely to be all from one group with them? Letters prove nothing (and people don't carry letters for address proof anyway). And its not exactly unusual to have multiple generations in the same house either.

But yeah, as others have said, tier 2 means no meeting households indoors at all. I quite like the idea of booking tables next to each other and having a zoom meeting

@MrsJBaptiste

A PP has said People are out drinking, buying clothes, going to DIY stores because they NEED to decorate their homes and getting their hair done, because looking good is really fucking essential during a pandemic

I agree none of these things are essential but are you really going to stay in feeling sorry for yourself for the next 6 months or longer?

I stayed in my house for 12 weeks shielding from the end of March and I don't want to do it again. So I’ll go out, take precautions, stay socially distant and keep aware of the situation. This could go on for a very long time yet.

I agree that asking people to stay indoors and away from everyone when they live alone is cruel. I’m getting jumped on, because three friends who live alone, met up in a way that completely followed the rules. Reckless people like them are responsible for tighter restrictions because they booked two tables, two metres apart.

Apparently the virus travels further because they spoke to each other two metres apart, whereas the family of six, laughing and chatting away, don’t permit their breath to travel as it stays in their magic bubble.

Yes, it’s all down to horrible people like them and has absolutely nothing to do with all the people doing their none essential shopping and having their hair, nails, waxing, etc done, which involves being touched by another person. Nope, it’s the three women following the rules.

@EvilPea

If your intent on meeting, surely you’d just book a restaurant outside london? Unless your very central it wouldn’t take you long to get to one outside.

And this is the problem with the local lockdown, whist people should do the right thing it doesn’t mean they do. I’ve heard someone bragging about ways they’ve got round quarantining from holiday and things “we heard they track your phone so we bought a pay as you go”

This is the problem, it’s gone from preventing the spread to getting round the government control.

If you live somewhere in Tier 2, then you are meant to follow the same rules, even if you go outside the area. (Assuming that the rules are the same as the local lockdown ones that we have been following for months already in Manchester.)

Restaurants around here won't book tables near each other, and most won't book a table over 6 at all.